Expertise is a giant mistake, didn't you learn from Trion?

Uhmm. Im not the only person to play wow and have top end raid gear AND a 2500+ Rating for the pvp gear as well. Raids don't last ALL week that you can't do both. At the beginning yes, it does take more time to gear BOTH of your t1 sets. Big deal.

I can see it now..

GMOTD: Everyone go pvp for 2 days to get full Centurion so we can go raid!

pvp gear is tons easier/faster to get than Raid gear.

That ALONE is one base example of why the expertise stat is needed.

So tell me oh wise DAoC one. How do you get around that without punishing pvpers in ANY way shape or form?

There should be NO special stat for 50 pvp, it makes no sense. In every old pvp mmo that's ever came out they didn't need special stats, it was about your build, and skill. That's enough, only bad's require special stats that put them at an extreme advantage. Nobody else does.

Trion made a GIANT MISTAKE with Valor, and they admit it! They tried to remove it, then they tried to add it to PVE gear, then they decided 'screw it' and tossed the same valor on ALL pvp gear! Essentially they realize any special stat people can 'grind out' in PVP places a tremendous imbalance into the game that isn't easily fixed.

I foresee a huge problem with the 50's bracket when new 50's enter it and become 'food' for people that have high expertise they got from GRINDING LOW LEVELS, while the new 50's won't have this luxury. They will be slaughtered. Therefore, choose your solution;

1) Expertise needs to be removed.
2) Expertise needs to be added to lower level pvp gear.
3) Entry-Level 50's PVP gear needs to be added that has expertise, and is purchasable with Warzone Coms prior to reaching 50.

Take your pick, one of the three has to happen or the noob farming won't stop with the 50's bracket. If someone needs their own special stat to compete in pvp then they can just give up pvping. There is little logic in these 'special' stats, and they only serve to cause more imbalances.

Uhmm. Im not the only person to play wow and have top end raid gear AND a 2500+ Rating for the pvp gear as well. Raids don't last ALL week that you can't do both. At the beginning yes, it does take more time to gear BOTH of your t1 sets. Big deal.

I can see it now..

GMOTD: Everyone go pvp for 2 days to get full Centurion so we can go raid!

pvp gear is tons easier/faster to get than Raid gear.

That ALONE is one base example of why the expertise stat is needed.

So tell me oh wise DAoC one. How do you get around that without punishing pvpers in ANY way shape or form?

Expertise is easily attainable once you hit 50. It takes less than a week to get a solid array of Champ Gear unless you are pathetically unlucky. For the majority of the population, they'll have 4-5 piece champ by the end of week 1.

Given that expertise only accounts for 10% extra damage (as well as less damage taken, etc) your point is moot.

Seriously? Expertise is the BEST decision the devs made with this game. Remember when Vanilla WOW added BGs and people with PVE raid garbage dominated PVP? Let's continue to avoid that kind of disaster. Thanks!

I do remember, I was there. Raid gear was the best gear out there because there WAS no gear attainable from PvP that even came close.

This "garbage" was due to a gear power disparity (and because the raid people were actually playing as a team using vent) - NOT a lack of an expertise stat. If PvP gear was the same power then there would have been no problem at all.

Expertise is easily attainable once you hit 50. It takes less than a week to get a solid array of Champ Gear unless you are pathetically unlucky. For the majority of the population, they'll have 4-5 piece champ by the end of week 1.

Given that expertise only accounts for 10% extra damage (as well as less damage taken, etc) your point is moot.