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Ignorance about Sorc OP'ness

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Ignorance about Sorc OP'ness

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SandTrout
01.15.2012 , 06:06 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by klathnagma View Post
b) Have good damage: need to full spec Lighting for burst. Bad dots, not so good AoE. You become a turret, very easy to counter in PvP.
Ok, you're a turret. I get that. Marksman Snipers are turrets too.

Lightning spec still gets:
More frequent bubble than sniper.
More heals than sniper.
More CC than sniper.
More mobility than sniper.
About the same damage as sniper.

Note that you have these things regardless of spec, as they are skills that you buy from the trainer.
Nerf not, lest ye be nerfed.

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aranha
01.15.2012 , 06:07 AM | #172
Fix the damage mitigation so players can actually get some RESSISTANCE and not get 100% damage from sages/sorcs due to them ignoring armor...

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Tamas
01.15.2012 , 06:07 AM | #173
Soc crying not to nerf them? Please continue, this charade might entertain me for a little while.

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SandTrout
01.15.2012 , 06:08 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by aranha View Post
Fix the damage mitigation so players can actually get some RESSISTANCE and not get 100% damage from sages/sorcs due to them ignoring armor...
They don't ignore armor, they ignore defense and shields.

Not the same thing, but yes, they are bypassing significant amounts of defense.
Nerf not, lest ye be nerfed.

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Daeth
01.15.2012 , 06:17 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by DimeStax View Post
Again you have misunderstood or you are just really bad at reading comprehension. I didn't say the ability "bubble" itself was on par with "high armor class" mitigation, but that sorcs with the ability makes their mitigation as whole, throughout the entire fight, on-par with a "high armored class."

You accuse me of lying and insist I haven't proved anything, yet you haven't proved I am lying.
It really isnt. I have a 50 Sorc and 50 BH Merc (wears heavy armor) and the Merc can take 4 times the beating that the Sorceror can (while doing way more damage).

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KorwinOfAmber
01.15.2012 , 06:17 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by SandTrout View Post
Ok, you're a turret. I get that. Marksman Snipers are turrets too.

Lightning spec still gets:
More frequent bubble than sniper.
More heals than sniper.
More CC than sniper.
More mobility than sniper.
About the same damage as sniper.
- except that sniper buble is better and he gets additional benefits, 15% damage reduction on incomming attacks e.t.c. form being in cover
- except that if you are not a healer spec, using heals in combat is plain idiocy and suicide. You can heal others if not attacked, but healing yourself with Dark Heal is just plain pointless.
-More CC than sniper? Yeah, you really said that... Our 2 second cast whirlwind on long cooldown vs instant flashbang on short cooldown. Melee stun that does great damage, vs our ranged stun. Our short cooldown slow vs your short cooldown root. Our AoE knockback that needs to be skilled to have root, vs your aoe knockback that has root. So where is our CC better? Are you implying force lightning? Surprise - Lightning spec does not use it, as he relies on Lightning Strike for all his procs, unlike Madness.
-More mobility? Sure, since we are less survivable, more vulnerable to CC and have worse armor and no defencive cooldowns at all unlike sniper.
- Hah. Thats a great joke. Call me when Sorc can crit for 10k. Lightning strongest spells are Chain Lightnign and Thundering Blast and their base damage is around 1000-1500k. With speced +50% surge on them, thats still lower than burst of most classes.

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Daeth
01.15.2012 , 06:19 AM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by SandTrout View Post
About the same damage as sniper.
That part is a lie. Snipers do more damage. But yes, sorcerors have more survivability (mostly due to mobility) than snipers.

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wwkingms
01.15.2012 , 06:23 AM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by Daeth View Post
That part is a lie. Snipers do more damage. But yes, sorcerors have more survivability (ONLY due to mobility) than snipers.
fixed


all we can do is run wen s h i t goes down


OMG THAT SORC RAN AWAY HES SO OP!

TO THE FORUMZ

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KorwinOfAmber
01.15.2012 , 06:23 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by aranha View Post
Fix the damage mitigation so players can actually get some RESSISTANCE and not get 100% damage from sages/sorcs due to them ignoring armor...
Sorc damage ignoring power? I keep wondering where those stupid assumptions keep comming from.

My main spammable attack basic damage 750 damage in tooltip in 1.5 second cast, and i see it constanly hit for like 250-400 damage - and i NEED to use it to be able to use my other casts effectively. Every spell is mitigated heavily, and since we DONT have attack-spells with "base damage of 2000-2500" like some other classes, it means most of our attacks hit for pretty pathetic damage unless crit (and even then its not great). Madness sorc has it a little better due to Force lightning, but its mitigated as well.

If you see your HP going down swiftly from sorc, its not because he CRIT YOU FOR OMG 10K DAMAGE! but because you have affiction dot on you, slow dot, got hit with instant shock, got hit with instant stun which deals damage, and got critted by whatever he cast on you and probably instant Chain lightning or Crushing Darkness from proc and adrenal buffs. Sounds OP - but its not, requiring procs, crits, cooldowns and a total of like 6-7 casts.

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Darth_Vampirius
01.15.2012 , 06:24 AM | #180
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