Expertise is a giant mistake, didn't you learn from Trion?

But can you solo those heroics? Can you solo a lvl 50 flashpoint?

I got full t1 pvp gear in a day. Soloing. It isn't hard if you know that winning or losing isnt the end all be all. Just pad your stats and it's a waterfall of comms.

He is asking for pvp gear which CAN BE SOLOD quite easily as its JUST a grind to be the same as Raid gear that you not only need a raid for. But a raid of non-tards.

One is a solo time investment. One is a skill/time/schedule/people bla bla etc etc investment.

There NEEDS to be a distinction between the 2.

Getting butthurt cuz you get *** handed to you while youre STILL EARNING your valor/comms is ridiculous. Be happy they have an AFK defacto that if you stand and auto jump you get nothing feature.

Come the lvl 50 bracket your lowbies won't have to deal with expertise at all. the only thing BW did wrong was wait this long to implement it.

Easiest way to solve this.

Make centurion armor buyable with normal commendations.

This way noone who decides to pvp will suffer once they get to 50 since they should be able grab a pvp set even as a fresh 50.

So people HAVE to PvE in order to be competitive in PvP then?

Bingo. You pretty much nailed it.

They never "tried" to remove valor or add it to PvE gear. Think about it, if they designed the game there is no "try." They can do what they want. What they did was normalize valor across all PvP gear after all the forum whiners made incessant threads about how unfair it was. Instead of grinding their way up the PvP ladder (like the rest of us had to do), they wanted instant gratification. Now R1 gear has the same valor as R8 gear. But, guess what? People STILL COMPLAIN. Now they claim R8 gear has too much of an offensive advantage and they want it toned down.

People are never happy in MMO's. Hopefully BW has learned that much.

So according to your plan, "entry-level" PvP gear would be exactly the same as champ and BM gear. Therefore I ask, why have PvP gear at all?

I am sorry if you're too lazy to rank your way up, but shut up and do it like the rest of us had to do or simply quit the game. We all would be much happier.

As I and others have explained a million times, if you don't have expertise, then raid gear becomes BiS for PvP, which means anyone who hasn't cleared the latest and greatest raid, will get pwned by the raid progression guilds. Is that fair to you?

Please elaborate o great one as to how its neccessary. A real pvper should not need a 10-20% boost to defeat other players. Raid gear people wont stomp on pvpers if they just put equal stats on pvp gear.

When everyone only had level 20 and 40 pvp gear with no expertise things were fair. Now no one stands any chance at all against a full expertise player.

Their is no real reason for expertise other then since prior games had it for must.

Where did I say gear wasn't a driving factor? You were the one who said it was a problem only because it was *easier* to acquire in one fashion. That has nothing to do with gear as a driving factor and everything to do with your ego. That's not gear is not a driving factor - that's being BETTER than others as a driving factor, and that's just pathetic.

Why switch genres? I think you mean something like Dota/LoL/HoN. And yes, Dota has better PvP than TOR.

The problem with that idea, as has been explained before, is that there is no way to guarantee that the PvP progression path and the PvE progression path are exactly the same difficulty and take exactly the same amount of time to clear.

Therefore, people will figure out "hey it is easier to get the gear from PvP, so lets go PvP for our raid gear instead of actually going up the raid progression ladder." And vice versa. Therefore, it makes more sense to simply have 2 different gear sets with two totally different purposes so that all the other variables are removed. If you want to be better at PvP, you go PvP. If you want to be better at raiding, you go clear raids. Simple.

The only people who complain about this are casuals who don't want to put in the time or raiders who think they should be able to pwn that one WZ they play a week.

I find it humorous that the only people who complain about this are the raiding guilds. They feel entitled to be able to come into PvP and have a gear advantage. They don't want to do any serious PvP, but when they get a whim to go do some on rare occasions, they feel it is unfair that people who PvP constantly have better gear.

You never hear PvP'ers complain that their gear wont work in raids. It's always the other way around.

Im sorry but a scripted pve raid does not compare to unpredictable pvp with other real people. People spend just as much time grinding warzones as people that run raids over and over.

Im sure they could figure a balance of pvp time/wins that ca. Equate to pve raids. It makes more sence for the gear to be equal in stats. If you need expertise to have an edge over someone that only raids the. Maybe you need more practice.

[QUOTE=Thiussat;1629968]The problem with that idea, as has been explained before, is that there is no way to guarantee that the PvP progression path and the PvE progression path are exactly the same difficulty and take exactly the same amount of time to clear.

Therefore, people will figure out "hey it is easier to get the gear from PvP, so lets go PvP for our raid gear instead of actually going up the raid progression ladder." And vice versa. Therefore, it makes more sense to simply have 2 different gear sets with two totally different purposes so that all the other variables are removed. If you want to be better at PvP, you go PvP. If you want to be better at raiding, you go clear raids. Simple.

The only people who complain about this are casuals who don't want to put in the time or raiders who think they should be able to pwn that one WZ they play a week.

I find it humorous that the only people who complain about this are the raiding guilds. They feel entitled to be able to come into PvP and have a gear advantage. They don't want to do any serious PvP, but when they get a whim to go do some on rare occasions, they feel it is unfair that people who PvP constantly have better gear.

You never hear PvP'ers complain that their gear wont work in raids. It's always the other way around.[/iQUOTE]

I find it funny that those in battlemaster gear now are afraid other players might have equal stats. I find it humorous that only geared pvpers need an advantage to win over pvers.

Their should just be two different paths to the same stat gear. If it takes 2 hours to clear a raid to get an item make it take 5 hours of pvp or many wins to get equal pvp gear. It you have to win to get gear the. Teams thatwork well (just like a raid group) will get gear faster then thoze that do not work well (pug raid)