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Bioware's unshaken confidence is troubling

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Blackwater
01.13.2012 , 08:08 PM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by Daedalin View Post
I know why SWTOR sold so well. Again, if you could read my post history...

To say a game has declined in activity around the holidays... is well short sighted. For many reasons.

1. School break. Younger people will play.
2. Vacations. A lot of people took vacations primarily for SWTOR. If they couldn't in December, they did in the beginning of January.
3. The reason your looking for... not being interested.

To also base a game on server fullness, is well also short sightedness. Your graphs show activity, but do they show if server size was increased? Also, for the 3 reasons mentioned above, game activity could have decline.

The graph shows total concurrent players, not total server fullness.

When 16 servers were full at launch, the graph showed 600k concurrent players, when it dropped down to 1 full server, it showed around 250k concurrent players.

The graph is consistent with server fullness and there is no evidence to suggest that Bioware is raising server caps

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Hiramas
01.13.2012 , 08:11 PM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post

The graph shows total concurrent players, not total server fullness.

When 16 servers were full at launch, the graph showed 600k concurrent players, when it dropped down to 1 full server, it showed around 250k concurrent players.

The graph is consistent with server fullness and there is no evidence to suggest that Bioware is raising server caps
You have NO evidence to support this. Again, the creator of the graphs said you cannot see them this way. No one but bioware has any idea how many players can play until a server is full.
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wifeaggro
01.13.2012 , 08:12 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by bbbmmmlll View Post
Rift has been very public about their sales numbers and have announced sales over 1m and that they have seen significant growth over time. This report has sales under 500k. Maybe Trion is lying or it's low because vgchartz doesn't include Amazon, Walmart or digital(such as Steam) sales. After an initial launch, it's generally hard to find a box copy of most MMOs so I wouldn't expect vgchartz to report much growth.
Trion has been the most honest team ive ever seen . very transparent, the sales from launch put it at 850k . but i could easily have hit 1.1 1.2 mil
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Makade
01.13.2012 , 08:12 PM | #204
Sorry guys, but does EVERY post on these forums now have to devolve into a WoW vs. SWTOR fight? Geesh.

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Blackwater
01.13.2012 , 08:14 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Hiramas View Post
You have NO evidence to support this. Again, the creator of the graphs said you cannot see them this way. No one but bioware has any idea how many players can play until a server is full.
I can't see the graphs in the way they were designed to be seen?

Secondly I've quoted numerous sale record sites to support my clains even if the graph site fails to convince you.

You're just making excuses

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wifeaggro
01.13.2012 , 08:14 PM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by Hiramas View Post
why the hell can't you accept that the MAKER of the activity statistics everyone keeps quoting cannot be seen this way? BW could provide accurate statistics about subscriptions and activity- And only they. And yes, they raised server caps, people do not keep playing 24/7 like in holiday periods and so on. That are the reasons that the server seem less full.
There are people leaving after the free month, a lot more than those who have posted about it here. We will have to see how many. Im sure BW will try to boast with subscription numbers after the free month.
There will be an easy 30 to 40% burn off , the question remains can they retain the other 60% long term and win back a small percentage of the burn off. Currently not a cance they may see AOC type of burn off with a 30 % retention after 6 months.
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Daedalin
01.13.2012 , 08:14 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post

The graph shows total concurrent players, not total server fullness.

When 16 servers were full at launch, the graph showed 600k concurrent players, when it dropped down to 1 full server, it showed around 250k concurrent players.

The graph is consistent with server fullness and there is no evidence to suggest that Bioware is raising server caps
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=60893

They did raise caps on some servers. You graphs do not show individual servers, so in my opinion I see that as a flaw of the graphs.

http://www.swtorarena.com/topic/210-...tics-tool-faq/

The graphs also do NOT show numbers. An example of your 600k quote:

Quote:
A value of 600 (in y-axis) with a total number of 215 servers means; 600 / 215 = 2.7 ( ~ standard population)
It is NOT showing how many people per say on are online, but HOW FULL the servers are. Data that is parsed from this very website.

Quote:
How is the data gathered?
The tool automatically queries swtor.com's server-status page every 5 minutes and commits the samples to it's database.

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MrTijger
01.13.2012 , 08:15 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by wifeaggro View Post
Really? you should follow financials actually rift is making money hand over fist . and Trion is getting massive pressure from investors to go Public and many more devolpers begging for them to liscense their engine for use. Rift is doing quite well it sold 850 k copies and retained well over 60% at the 6 month mark. All on its own dime its own IP and its own Engine. they are raking in the cash believe me raking it in.
Which financials? Trion is a private company and has never released any sub numbers, all they have said is that Rift is profitable. Also, Trion got 100 million to develop Rift and 2 other MMO's, so not exactly working on a shoestring budget either.

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rzrknight
01.13.2012 , 08:17 PM | #209
Just because people riot at the forums does not means the game is having a population problem lol.
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Jett-Rinn
01.13.2012 , 08:19 PM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by rzrknight View Post
Just because five people and their alts riot at the forums does not means the game is having a population problem lol.
Fixed that
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