Mitigation, the REAL problem. Also, operatives need a 2x dmg multiplier.

Patch discussion by devs today. No comments on this. No announced fixes for this or fps issues.

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Well at least the community seems to become more and more aware of this issue. That's a start, the more people knows about this unbalanced game mechanic the more awareness we can promote.

Uh... You wear medium armor? In all honest sorcerers should DO MORE DAMAGE THEN YOU. It is not a hard to understand.

Sorry but your post basically is "waaah why am I not the best damage dealer in the game."

You mean the community has been propagandized by a reasonable sounding post, that when those capable of critical thought do so, see that it's an appeal for tanks to have EZ mode.

No tanks, you don't get to mitigate every damage type just because you're tanks, those of you playing PT/VG tanks are already ridiculous, making tanks more ridiculous just because Juggs/Guards feel comparatively gimped is nonsense.

Thinking you should have a super shield just because Sorcs get a shield that withers under focus fire from ONE (1) other dps class (then cant be reused for 30 seconds) is nonsense.

Posting a bunch of math and crying about specific mitigation stats when it's obvious that's part of your balance (yes, indeed, tanks should actually be capable of dying, omg) is nonsense.

People have responded to my previous post demanding "evidence." Please. Why don't you simply play the game, things are evident there. Saying you don't believe me till I bust out some kind of treatise with parsed data and 9000 words of theorycraft is a cop out, because you know you're asking for easy mode and weren't able to make a ridiculous request and sound reasonable like the OP did. Tanks are fine, MAYBE force-using tanks need some love, because PT/VG can hold off groups just fine. And people think it's great to give them MORE mitigation? Tanks arent going to be balanced till it takes 8 players to focus one down? Let's end this stupidity please.

Actually they tank better then Power techs which currently are the best of the three tanks, They do the second highest damage. Also they can heal.

Sniper has less net defense, less net offense all all you came here to do is troll.

You mean the community has been propagandized by a reasonable sounding post, that when those capable of critical thought do so, see that it's an appeal for tanks to have EZ mode.

No tanks, you don't get to mitigate every damage type just because you're tanks, those of you playing PT/VG tanks are already ridiculous, making tanks more ridiculous just because Juggs/Guards feel comparatively gimped is nonsense.

Thinking you should have a super shield just because Sorcs get a shield that withers under focus fire from ONE (1) other dps class (then cant be reused for 30 seconds) is nonsense.

Posting a bunch of math and crying about specific mitigation stats when it's obvious that's part of your balance (yes, indeed, tanks should actually be capable of dying, omg) is nonsense.

People have responded to my previous post demanding "evidence." Please. Why don't you simply play the game, things are evident there. Saying you don't believe me till I bust out some kind of treatise with parsed data and 9000 words of theorycraft is a cop out, because you know you're asking for easy mode and weren't able to make a ridiculous request and sound reasonable like the OP did. Tanks are fine, MAYBE force-using tanks need some love, because PT/VG can hold off groups just fine. And people think it's great to give them MORE mitigation? Tanks arent going to be balanced till it takes 8 players to focus one down? Let's end this stupidity please.

***SNIP: Inane ranting***

First off: No one is asking for easy mode. Easy mode would be to play one of the three other archetypes.

Second: The dramatic loss of DPS does not scale to the gain in survivability. Balance would indicate that the highest damage character and the tankiest character in equivalent gear with equivalent skill should have a near 50/50 outcome. No one expects perfect balance but the ratio right now is probably less than 10/90 for jugs. They are incapable of doing enough damage vs a high damage class even utilizing all of their CD's to consistently win the fight.

Since WoW is the most common example as it has had many players I will give a great example:

Defensive Tanks in WoW could not win vs any class prior to them adding shield slam. Mitigation even in the best tank gear did not mitigate enough damage to offset the amount of damage received and the low DPS returned. Once shield slam was implemented the defensive specced tanks could win fights vs the other melee classes. They still lost nearly every fight vs "casters" in which I believe they eventually implemented a counter for that (Which was after my time).

Right now Jugs in Tank gear do not have an answer vs anything. They can play their character perfectly using all of their cooldowns, stuns, and interrupts at optimal times and still lose 1 v 1 vs every other class*

* Fighting against an abysmal player is excluded from the equation.