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Bioware's unshaken confidence is troubling

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Azzras
01.13.2012 , 04:14 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Makade View Post
Here's the deal: I want SWTOR to survive and flourish. I really like the game overall. However, there are GLARING issues with this game (I'm not going to rehash them here...no point in repeating it) and yet Bioware seems to be blissfully (blindly?) boastful of their game. I get how PR works, blah, blah (so don't attempt to give me a lesson), but I have seen ZERO humility on Bioware's part that indicates that they have heard their customers. Look at Trion. Whether you like Rift or not (I found it to be rather bland myself) that is a company working its a*s off for your $15 a month. They have approached the community with humility and open ears, and it has paid off. Meanwhile, Bioware is too busy spinning the hype machine and patting itself on the back to approach the community's concerns humbly and comprehensively.

Please know that I am writing this post as a fan of the game (and Bioware) and I really want the game to succeed. In my life, I have never seen an individual or entity succeed in the long term by avoiding self-reflection and constructive criticism.....ever.
Check the upcoming patch notes.

They are listening and fixing a ton of issues.
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Calimwulf
01.13.2012 , 04:19 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Trandel View Post
I've seen more issues in this game than in most and I've been mmo gaming for almost 10 years now. So white knight, how many hours are you gonna roam the forums today looking to troll anyone that says anything at all that is even somewhat negative about this game? I'm just curious.
Slow day at work, that being said, I have absolutely no problem with someone that expresses a negative opinion.

What I personally have a problem with is someone that makes a post such as yours that 'generically' says glaring issues. Since I do not have 'glaring' issues. then I am going to respond. You also took the time to single my post out.

If Bioware were messing up by the numbers, I'd unsub and go away. Since I don't believe they are, then I will respond and say that.

I wouldn't stand idly by while someone hurls and screams insults at someone else in real life, whether I agree with that person or not. That is wrong. It is just as wrong to stand by and not post when someone, in my estimation is trying to troll, but coaching it in a 'polite' way. That is who I am and how I live my life.
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Yemmer
01.13.2012 , 04:22 PM | #63
Sadly, it wont matter for me, Bioware has gone leaps and bounds fixing things, Kudos to them, remember folks, every MMO has major bugs on release, WoW was far far worse then this for over a year, For me however it's not enough, Not that i am dissatisfied with bioware, but as soon as the 30 day free sub runs dry, i'll not be renewing, I refuse to support any game with the EA stamp on it, the scumsuckers have destroyed every game they have put their fingers in, or have gotten lazy and stop supporting them as soon as the mass-sales on release end, As awsome as this game is so far, i do not see 30 million worth in content, not even remotely close, and as EA has a hand in it, sorry to say, so far as i can see, it has no real future worth paying for so long as EA has any say in anything.

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Taurusaud
01.13.2012 , 04:24 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Yemmer View Post
WoW was far far worse then this for over a year
That's such a total lie.


WoW had a responsive UI working right out the door. It's 7 years later and SwTOR can't even get THAT right.


WoW had mobs that wandered around and even talked to eachother as opposed to mobs that just sit there lifelessly in this game. WoW had underwater areas you could swim to, critters walking about and attacking one another, day/night cycles, music, the ability to sit and lie down, a combat log, and live mounts, ALL ON RELEASE. Bioware has cited "technical difficulties" when asked about the potential for bringing live mounts into this game.


WoW had infinitely more detailed and imaginative landscapes compared to SwTOR where every planet's ecosystem looks EXACTLY LIKE EARTH. Seriously who plays a space MMO to see oak trees? Where are the liquid nitrogen forests and electric gas clouds? Where is the alien plantlife?? Alien planets are such an opportunity to be creative and oak trees is what they came up with!? WoW's space zones were actually imaginative.


Is a non-working UI to be expected? Because most gamers expect a working UI, in fact most MMOs since WoW have failed because of a broken UI. How is it with a $100+ million budget they can't accomplish in 2011 what Blizzard did 7 years ago with a lower budget.

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Katharis
01.13.2012 , 04:26 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Blue-Reckloose View Post
I'm not saying they aren't fixing some things, but the devs, community managers and tech support clearly need a major attitude adjustment.
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Aisar
01.13.2012 , 04:28 PM | #66
Anyone who says WoW was like this at Launch never played WoW and is trying to spread false information to make this game look better. It's dishonest guys, and does not help anyone.

That launch was enchanting, and stayed that way. Done with this game before my first toon hit 50. Speaks for itself.
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Yemmer
01.13.2012 , 04:29 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Taurusaud View Post
That's such a total lie.


WoW had a responsive UI working right out the door. It's 7 years later and SwTOR can't even get THAT right.


WoW had mobs that wandered around and even talked to eachother as opposed to mobs that just sit there lifelessly in this game. WoW had underwater areas you could swim to, critters walking about and attacking one another, day/night cycles, music, the ability to sit and lie down, a combat log, and live mounts, ALL ON RELEASE. Bioware has cited "technical difficulties" when asked about the potential for bringing live mounts into this game.


WoW had infinitely more detailed and imaginative landscapes compared to SwTOR where every planet's ecosystem looks EXACTLY LIKE EARTH. Seriously who plays a space MMO to see oak trees? Where are the liquid nitrogen forests and electric gas clouds? Where is the alien plantlife?? Alien planets are such an opportunity to be creative and oak trees is what they came up with!? WoW's space zones were actually imaginative.


Is a non-working UI to be expected? Because most gamers expect a working UI, in fact most MMOs since WoW have failed because of a broken UI. How is it with a $100+ million budget they can't accomplish in 2011 what Blizzard did 7 years ago with a lower budget.

I said the first year of release.

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Taurusaud
01.13.2012 , 04:29 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Yemmer View Post
I said the first year of release.
Every single thing I posted was in the game at release. Try reading next time.

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Yemmer
01.13.2012 , 04:31 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Aisar View Post
Anyone who says WoW was like this at Launch never played WoW and is trying to spread false information to make this game look better. It's dishonest guys, and does not help anyone.
Obviously you did not play it on release. Unless of course you take the stance that exploits allowing you to make about 600 gold per hour at lvl 4 and being able to fall through the terrain into a never ending void - and be unable to get out unless the blizzgods pulled out out wern't bugs.

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Taurusaud
01.13.2012 , 04:33 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Yemmer View Post
Obviously you did not play it on release. Unless of course you take the stance that exploits allowing you to make about 600 gold per hour at lvl 4 and being able to fall through the terrain into a never ending void - and be unable to get out unless the blizzgods pulled out out wern't bugs.
If that was true nobody would have kept playing WoW. Guess what.