LFG Tool is NOT Needed

Can I just point out that aside from bugs very few of the hard mode flashpoints are hard? Hard mode Black Talon is a joke. And just by doing that and the daily/weekly you can pretty quickly gear up in purples.

Second I run flashpoints as much as I can. I rolled a tank so that I would have an easier time running flashpoints and I'm always looking at the little number in the top left, and in the past two weeks I have only ever once seen more than 8 players in any of the hard mode instances. That's terrible. Especially when you consider that I am on a high pop pve server (corellia run) and this is during prime time. Not off hours anywhere between six and eleven pm.

Finally I'm a working adult in a guild of real life friends and guild mates from other mmos, and everyone who didn't have a winter break from work is only between lvs 25-35 and so we don't have an option of running guild groups. Should everyone in that position just stop playing or trying ti advance their character?

Before you tell me to roll an alt, I'm waiting for the legacy system.

They already said they don't want cross server. And it's true that some of the WoW groups were rude and inconsiderate. But I played WoW a little before LFD was implemented, and guess what? I ran into plenty of rude people while looking for a guild so I could do the content and I can't say the conversation was ever scintillating.

WoW's population tends toward etiher tight-lipped and inconsiderate or rude and mouthy and cross server LFD didn't cause that problem. It just exposed more people to more of it.

Great post, tired of all the "it dumbs down content" posts that are nothing more than people who need to have content limited to them to enjoy this game. Bioware added hardmode operations just for players (like me) looking for that type of challenge.

Sadly people continue to parrot that old tired line because for some reason. Really infuriating and insulting to the developers.

I love people who say "what killed wow" or "the game is dead," because it's hilarious. The game is far from dead.

WoW is not dumbed down. You want hard content? Go kill heroic modes. As previously mentioned, while being the 1% who could actually kill things in Naxxramas in Vanilla was a giant ego boost to the 1% that could actually do it, the other 99% feels left out. Thus, normal modes and hard modes. If you try to cite LFR as an example of "dumbed down" content, then... yes. It's easier. It's supposed to be, so that the average player can defeat deathwing without spending hours wiping. If you want elitism and status, kill him on heroic mode.

Even being a little off-topic, it still relates to this thread. LFD didn't "ruin" the community. Sure, you're going to meet ***** there, but you'll meet ***** everywhere, it's not exclusive to LFD. I think the idea that LFD is "full of trolls and ninjas" is a gross exaggeration. I myself have nice, decent groups about 95% of the time. Sure, I meet the annoying elitists, the rude trolls, but I just tend to ignore them, and they're quite rare.

As for "copying wow" argument: Remember when remotes didn't exist? You actually had to have someone by the TV, turning the dial? Yeah. Remotes ruined TV. I want to go back to the good old days, before they had remotes, those were the good times, eh?
LFD is a tool that adds convenience to everyday life, just like a remote. It's a quality-of-life thing. Air conditioning, power windows on a car, email instead of regular mail. It takes something you want to do, and makes it easier. I fail to see how that is bad.

"It ruins the community," you say. Well, I can't speak for everyone, but on the multiple servers I've been on in any MMO, unless you "troll" general/trade, and make yourself out to be a stupid person, no one really pays attention (and I've been playing long before LFD). Usually the only thing people complain about in the trade chat is if a whole guild ninjas, but then you just get replies like "lol" and "who cares."

LFD is a tool, a quality-of-life addition. Don't knock it because you want every group you're in to be troll/ninja-free. You're going to get those even if you recruit, and the "community" probably won't even care if you rant about same-server ninjas.

I dont mind an LFD tool tho i wont use it since i find easy to find group fast.

But mark my words those who say that "I dont want to waste 1 hour LFG blah blah...
even with the LFD tool they will qq .."As a dps i have to wait 45 mins to get in a group fix BW or i will unsub blah blah.." I was there i have seen it. Because people can never be happy with anything. If you cant enjoy the game as it is, well im sorry for you :/

Why does anyone really care about accountability. I played wow for years as well. For every bad group the lfg tool brought, there were 10 good ones. And right now, I would rather it be 10 bad ones for every good one then stand around doing nothing for another hour while trying to find a flashpoint group.

The system as it is, majorly sucks.

There really isn't an argument here. PVP has a que... there's absolutely no reason or difference a LFG tool would create.

Instead of forcing people to wait around on the very small and rather boring Fleet hubs in order to run something,. they would be able to que while venturing the actual world doing other things.

If your argument is that the tool would damage the 'community' of the game then you are obviously not playing the same game I am. All I see are high level characters sitting around the fleets bored as hell in general chat looking to form groups, with about 10 other people at the same time, all for different flashpoints. What kind of community is that?

But wait a minute..if you want to pvp then you can que anywhere in the game and be able to zone in, do your BG and then return to whatever you were doing before. That is a much better experience for anyone no matter what you think.

There's a reason other mmos implemented this tool, trying to find people to run what you need to run at a time when you have enough free time to run one is DIFFICULT. There's nothing fun about sitting around trying to find a group.

One more thing I wanted to point out while I was reviewing all the relevant threads is that so many people in this community are HELL BENT on it not becoming a world of warcraft clone, which to me is a ridiculous reason for petitioning BioWare not to implement tools that will elevate their game into a better standing. If anything, these people are in each and every suggestion thread, inking it up with their hate of world of warcraft (if you don't believe me just go see someone who does it, click their name and look at their past threads).

People don't have time to sit around waiting all day. A grouping tool is needed and should be implemented, it would make the game experience a trillion times better when it comes to running grouped content. Right now it's a dreaded... "Man, I have to find a group to do these quests on Hoth, now I have to find a group to do this flashpoint....Going to have to find a group later to do some more quests".

It's one thing to say people play with friends and family, but it's totally different to assume everyone does.

You should be sorry, because there are a lot of people who are being frustrated and all that does is reduce the chance that this game will be able to push forward as far as those who are content wish.

I relish this all as a case study in the whole "LFD killed WoW" argument. Now you have your dream game with no useful LFG tool.

Enjoy.