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Bioware's unshaken confidence is troubling

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Bioware's unshaken confidence is troubling

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Makade
01.13.2012 , 02:24 PM | #1
Here's the deal: I want SWTOR to survive and flourish. I really like the game overall. However, there are GLARING issues with this game (I'm not going to rehash them here...no point in repeating it) and yet Bioware seems to be blissfully (blindly?) boastful of their game. I get how PR works, blah, blah (so don't attempt to give me a lesson), but I have seen ZERO humility on Bioware's part that indicates that they have heard their customers. Look at Trion. Whether you like Rift or not (I found it to be rather bland myself) that is a company working its a*s off for your $15 a month. They have approached the community with humility and open ears, and it has paid off. Meanwhile, Bioware is too busy spinning the hype machine and patting itself on the back to approach the community's concerns humbly and comprehensively.

Please know that I am writing this post as a fan of the game (and Bioware) and I really want the game to succeed. In my life, I have never seen an individual or entity succeed in the long term by avoiding self-reflection and constructive criticism.....ever.

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Wolfmann
01.13.2012 , 02:28 PM | #2
I think they should be proud of their accomplishment. They have brought a very complex product to market, have thoroughly tested it, and broken records while doing it.

I do not see significant "glaring" bugs that in my mind should humble them and say, "Ooops, yeah we knew this would happen, but wanted to sneak it out. " This is not Star Wars Galaxies.

I think you opinion comes from a good place, but really...let them pat themselves on the back and say, "We did good."

WOW certainly was not this refined on launch, and certain bugs are to be expected. It's software development, it's not rocket science.

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Calimwulf
01.13.2012 , 02:30 PM | #3
Nope, no glaring issues that I can see either. So how many posts are you going to write today saying exactly the same thing? I'm curious.
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fullfordim
01.13.2012 , 02:30 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfmann View Post
I think they should be proud of their accomplishment. They have brought a very complex product to market, have thoroughly tested it, and broken records while doing it.

I do not see significant "glaring" bugs that in my mind should humble them and say, "Ooops, yeah we knew this would happen, but wanted to sneak it out. " This is not Star Wars Galaxies.

I think you opinion comes from a good place, but really...let them pat themselves on the back and say, "We did good."

WOW certainly was not this refined on launch, and certain bugs are to be expected. It's software development, it's not rocket science.
/agree
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louisfriend
01.13.2012 , 02:30 PM | #5
yeah ...it's not like they didn't just launch a massive game after extensive development to generally rave reviews, with near zero issues at launch.... to large/promising playerbase.


...nothing to be confident about there.


it's also GLARINGLY obvious that the game has been out less than a month. if this is your first MMO. maybe you don't know.

but the first 1-6mo of a new MMO is basically... paid beta.

expect. odd graphics glitches. bugged/missing content. rash class imbalance and totally borked game dynamics/exploits to be found.


also... GLARINGLY obvious. that the first month or so. any patch that comes down the line. will be to fix something that they can fix. or an emergancy type issue that has to be fixed.

also GLARINGLY obvious. users will QQ endlessly. talk as if they know stuff. make up facts, figures, and stats. claim they're unsubbing. worst game ever. server population is abandoning ship. sky is falling et al.


...so honestly. this is all par for the course.

but as always. if you're not having fun. no one is forcing you to play. and if you're not having fun. probably shouldn't get overly upset about it. and just not play
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Knickerus
01.13.2012 , 02:32 PM | #6
There are issues, but they're not "glaring".

They ARE working on fixes, however. Just give it some time.
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Jimer_Lins
01.13.2012 , 02:36 PM | #7
You have an overly inflated sense of the relevance of your opinion, OP.
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Drakos
01.13.2012 , 02:38 PM | #8
I've learned long ago that this company is going to hype this game to the moon regardless of its quality or - in some cases - the relative validity of their claims. I don't think TOR is awful, and so I don't expect there to be any backlash from this overall beyond a small population being significantly more wary of any and all forms of advertisement from them in the future: myself included.
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Laeris
01.13.2012 , 02:38 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Makade View Post
Here's the deal: I want SWTOR to survive and flourish. I really like the game overall. However, there are GLARING issues with this game (I'm not going to rehash them here...no point in repeating it) and yet Bioware seems to be blissfully (blindly?) boastful of their game. I get how PR works, blah, blah (so don't attempt to give me a lesson), but I have seen ZERO humility on Bioware's part that indicates that they have heard their customers. Look at Trion. Whether you like Rift or not (I found it to be rather bland myself) that is a company working its a*s off for your $15 a month. They have approached the community with humility and open ears, and it has paid off. Meanwhile, Bioware is too busy spinning the hype machine and patting itself on the back to approach the community's concerns humbly and comprehensively.

Please know that I am writing this post as a fan of the game (and Bioware) and I really want the game to succeed. In my life, I have never seen an individual or entity succeed in the long term by avoiding self-reflection and constructive criticism.....ever.
So, you're basically saying you're willing to pay them to ignore you and you wonder why they're ignoring you?

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DarthSublimitas
01.13.2012 , 02:38 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfmann View Post
I think they should be proud of their accomplishment. They have brought a very complex product to market, have thoroughly tested it, and broken records while doing it.

I do not see significant "glaring" bugs that in my mind should humble them and say, "Ooops, yeah we knew this would happen, but wanted to sneak it out. " This is not Star Wars Galaxies.

I think you opinion comes from a good place, but really...let them pat themselves on the back and say, "We did good."

WOW certainly was not this refined on launch, and certain bugs are to be expected. It's software development, it's not rocket science.
Well duh, of course not. WoW came out in what, 2003-4 and we're in 2012 - they had better get it right seeing the advancement in technology.
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