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Jedi Guardian PvP Movie - INSANE CRITS!

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Jedi Guardian PvP Movie - INSANE CRITS!

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riedeas
01.13.2012 , 01:25 PM | #71
nice aoe crits!

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LOLtacular
01.13.2012 , 01:25 PM | #72
Nearly impossible to pull off?

Use slowing DoT (instant) on target
Force Leap or Zealous Charge them (the former roots for 2-3 seconds talented)
Force Sweep

You can bomb a massive AoE auto-crit every 9 seconds 3 times in a row. It's piss easy to do. You do only get ~7k hits (OH NO, SO LOW DAMAGE! ) without popping consumables. How can you even expect to kill anyone hitting for only 7K?

If you think this is hard to pull off you must be physically disabled with no limbs.

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byteresistor
01.13.2012 , 01:27 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by theMornox View Post
its not about class
its about consumables

please dont confuse things
It isn't only about consumables. A sorc for example can't get such crits even in their wildest dreams, it's not a burst class. So it's a combination of having a burst oriented class with consumables.

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copasetic
01.13.2012 , 01:45 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by LOLtacular View Post
Nearly impossible to pull off?

Use slowing DoT (instant) on target
Force Leap or Zealous Charge them (the former roots for 2-3 seconds talented)
Force Sweep

You can bomb a massive AoE auto-crit every 9 seconds 3 times in a row. It's piss easy to do. You do only get ~7k hits (OH NO, SO LOW DAMAGE! ) without popping consumables. How can you even expect to kill anyone hitting for only 7K?

If you think this is hard to pull off you must be physically disabled with no limbs.
If your post is referring to me, I said that this combo is nearly impossible to pull off against COMPETENT players because a competent player would simply save his knockback and time it by using it right when the Juggernaut/Guardian starts the animation and begins to leap in the air. Knocking them away at this exact moment causes their AoE to go on CD yet the damage doesn't hit at all thus wasting their 4 stacks of Shockwave, Adrenal, Relic, Expertise pickup buff, etc.

Of course this combo works in groups of 4+ enemies. These scenarios are extremely hectic with too many spells flying around to notice that Jugg trying to build up his combo. But if you enemies begin focusing you and only you, good luck trying to land the AoE if the enemy knows what he is doing.

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byteresistor
01.13.2012 , 01:55 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by copasetic View Post
If your post is referring to me, I said that this combo is nearly impossible to pull off against COMPETENT players because a competent player would simply save his knockback and time it by using it right when the Juggernaut/Guardian starts the animation and begins to leap in the air. Knocking them away at this exact moment causes their AoE to go on CD yet the damage doesn't hit at all thus wasting their 4 stacks of Shockwave, Adrenal, Relic, Expertise pickup buff, etc.
Some knockbacks have "delayed" animations also. I'd like to see how you pull of the tactic you described as a inquisitor/consular. And some classes don't have knockbacks at all.

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Annerlon
01.13.2012 , 02:04 PM | #76
ppl miss point that guardian can not do constantly so huge damage, learn mechanic of this crit and then start complain. Only one strong hit in 20 seconds, other - crap damage. Learn skill trees of guardian and when Bw will nerf stacking of adrenal and relics, even this damage will be only in dream. Operative damage me more than 50% of hp only in 1st stun, and have good damage all battle. stop this sh*t about guardian op. it need rebalance (not stupid buff damage) anyway
p.s. bad english i know

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LOLtacular
01.13.2012 , 02:33 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by copasetic View Post
If your post is referring to me, I said that this combo is nearly impossible to pull off against COMPETENT players because a competent player would simply save his knockback and time it by using it right when the Juggernaut/Guardian starts the animation and begins to leap in the air. Knocking them away at this exact moment causes their AoE to go on CD yet the damage doesn't hit at all thus wasting their 4 stacks of Shockwave, Adrenal, Relic, Expertise pickup buff, etc.

Of course this combo works in groups of 4+ enemies. These scenarios are extremely hectic with too many spells flying around to notice that Jugg trying to build up his combo. But if you enemies begin focusing you and only you, good luck trying to land the AoE if the enemy knows what he is doing.
So a massive AoE crit from Juggernaughts/Guardians are fine because you can use a 1 minute spell to maybe knock them away from you. This obviously prevents them from doing the same thing to you 9 seconds later, and of course they have no damage outside of their AoE abilitiy. Forget the high damage DoT, Zealous Leap, etc.

I guess Operatives are fine because you can use a 2 minute spell to get out of their knockdown.

Your counter-argument is dumb and I'm pretty sure you're aware of it yourself.

There is no "trying" to build this combo as it's pathetically easy to pull off. It's about as difficult as dressing oneself in the morning to accomplish reliably.

You can do this repeatedly hitting 7k AoE crits without expertise/adrenal buffs which is more than enough damage.

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Sujimichi
01.13.2012 , 03:08 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by copasetic View Post
If your post is referring to me, I said that this combo is nearly impossible to pull off against COMPETENT players because a competent player would simply save his knockback and time it by using it right when the Juggernaut/Guardian starts the animation and begins to leap in the air. Knocking them away at this exact moment causes their AoE to go on CD yet the damage doesn't hit at all thus wasting their 4 stacks of Shockwave, Adrenal, Relic, Expertise pickup buff, etc.
actually, that's only half right. I get knocked back just when im force sweeping all the time, but if it doesn't hit anybody, the stacks and crit buff don't go away. depending on how long ago they were applied, you can get another force sweep in to benefit from them.

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Sujimichi
01.13.2012 , 03:10 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by LOLtacular View Post
You can do this repeatedly hitting 7k AoE crits without expertise/adrenal buffs which is more than enough damage.
You ONLY crit 7k, on no-expertise targets, while you're wearing a bunch of pvp gear. Most other classes at 50 can either crit the same, or do the same amount of damage during the time it takes to set up the crit. As i said before, i'm a 50 focus specced guardian with a bit of champion gear and i crit 4-5k, with my trinket popped on no-expertise targets, IF IM LUCKY.

You don't get to 50 and suddenly go around warzones critting 7k at will.

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Annerlon
01.13.2012 , 04:19 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by LOLtacular View Post
You can do this repeatedly hitting 7k AoE crits without expertise/adrenal buffs which is more than enough damage.
this said by player who didn't even played by guardian