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DarthGlitch
01.13.2012 , 07:03 AM | #31
On the one hand, we have people displaying facts from officially canonized works..

and on the other hand we have somebody saying "they don't matter, my impression from the movie was different."

Fact is. Movies are 100% canon, instantly. Yes, you can take different things from the subtleties of acting - but once a body of work from the EU is officially canonized, your impressions are secondary. The book is right, you're wrong.

Palpatine was more powerful. I don't like it either, but it's fact. It's canon. The book says that, in the battle, when Palpatine began to stop underestimating Yoda, he dropped his hold on the power that had been clouding the entire Jedi Order (including Yoda) ..the veil they couldn't see through.. and Yoda saw the "truth" ..that he could not kill Palpatine, that even if he killed this body, he'd rise again. There's clear yet subtle reference to Palpatine's ability to reanimate in another body.. Yoda saw the truth and knew if he were to do any good, it would have to be another way.

Yoda, being the pinacle of Jedi strength and understanding of the Force ..would not continue an unnecesary and effectively pointless fight, even if he could eventually physically win it. He knew all he had would not be enough to permanently end the threat, so he fought to survive and fled when he got the chance in the hopes of contributing to a better end in the future.

Was Palpatine a stronger fighter? That's not the point. It's not really covered.. what is, is that Palpatine had more POWER ..in the ability to reanimate with a new body and to twist the minds of the masses.. Palpatine could not be beaten by Yoda. Period.
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Malactie
01.13.2012 , 07:46 AM | #32
all well presented. But it seems like yoda was a Jedi to the end. After his insight he saw 3 possibilitys

Fight and...

path 1: Winning the fight, even if darth sidious is stronger in the force he is not immune from making a mistake or getting his head chopped of by a lightsaber.

path 2: fighting and looseing, darth sidious is strong and might easily get the best of him.

or dont fight......

path 3: Be able to escape in the hopes of finding or training someone powerful enough in the force to win.

To fight meant the risk of looseing, it was an all or nothing bet if he wins its over but if he looses there is no hope for the future of the jedi. On the otherside if he backs off he may have mutiple chances to strike back through him or someone else at a lower risk then all or in.

Jedi are trained to think objectivly, to look at all options and choose the wisest path. Fighting would be a passionate act that was higher risk then other options. Yoda being the Grand Master Jedi, could easily see the correct option and had enough passivness in him not to fall into the passions of battle. He backed off because it was the most logical choice.

Fighting was not gaunteed failure, i can be stronger then most of the world but im pretty sure a well placed 45's still gonna take me out without a problem. But it certainly wasent gaurnted victory. who would have won is impossible to tell.
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ozirizo
01.13.2012 , 08:12 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthGlitch View Post
Palpatine was more powerful. I don't like it either, but it's fact. It's canon. The book says that, in the battle, when Palpatine began to stop underestimating Yoda, he dropped his hold on the power that had been clouding the entire Jedi Order (including Yoda) ..the veil they couldn't see through.. and Yoda saw the "truth" ..that he could not kill Palpatine, that even if he killed this body, he'd rise again. There's clear yet subtle reference to Palpatine's ability to reanimate in another body.. Yoda saw the truth and knew if he were to do any good, it would have to be another way.

Yoda, being the pinacle of Jedi strength and understanding of the Force ..would not continue an unnecesary and effectively pointless fight, even if he could eventually physically win it. He knew all he had would not be enough to permanently end the threat, so he fought to survive and fled when he got the chance in the hopes of contributing to a better end in the future.

Was Palpatine a stronger fighter? That's not the point. It's not really covered.. what is, is that Palpatine had more POWER ..in the ability to reanimate with a new body and to twist the minds of the masses.. Palpatine could not be beaten by Yoda. Period.
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