Sad to see some people quiting already....

I'm 30....

Everyone's age ? .......

Fair enough mate, though I wouldn't mention your beta if I was you, some lads will report you for the giggles of it.
None here mentioned shinys by the way other than its fun to explore the world an kill random mobs for fun an enjoyment of maybe finding something cool.Along with making money. Tor for some reason doesn't have that, an they deliberately stop you from doing it.

I do not understand this sentiment at all. You're not playing the lottery. The rewards are tokens that you can use to purchase the first tier of PvP gear at your leisure. As an ADDED incentive, there's a chance to get a random piece of tier 2 gear.

And this only applies until Valor 60, when you get bags that bump it up to tier 2 base with an ADDED incentive for tier 3.

It seems the problem is that because there's a CHANCE of an extra reward, people feel they are entitled to that reward, and then when they don't get it, they feel the system is broken.

I'm not entirely happy with the reward system - they need a way to directly earn Merc Commendations again - but you ARE grinding WZ to purchase gear.

Something that has always bothered me: People who think time investment = Difficulty. Difficulty should be based on mechanics not whether or not you have a job. Within the current PVP system it's not hard to get gear. It is extremely frustrating, time consuming, and stupid. But it isn't hard. You could sit in a corner and do nothing and you'd end up with gear if you did it long enough. If you want a system that isn't "free" and requires some difficulty than you should be advocating changing the current system as well.

Ranked war zones incoming.... Just sit tight they hear ya.

Thats part of the issue mate, it isn't about wanting free shinys. You cant call the game pvp when all you do is farm /bot/share your account with friends to gain your shinys fast as possible. World pvp for instance is souly about going out an fighting for yourself, rewards or not.
At moment because there's no way to compete with BG botters world pvp is non existent. people already pass each other an wave instead of fighting, because there's no point in it.
Either remove the pvp gear an call gear "gear" for all, or add world pvp properly, including merc commendations, an 2x the drop rate sicne world pvp si much harder than BG farming.

both sides work just fine.
Bioware really need to do some homework on pvp BEFORE wow, an take some notes. Because wow/rift pvp is not a good system to focus on. As we can see already from the number of people that have had enough.

Kinda feels like RIFT. Leveling was sweet, fun n stuff. Get to 50, it's just a strait grind.

To those who don't care that pvp'ers will be leaving... are you really that dense? you need bodies to make an online game work. if the majority of pvp'ers don't enjoy the game, they'll leave and those that stay will be left with less people, a *******r economy/auction system, less choices for guilds (the list goes on). Then you can look forward to server mergers and eventually full out failure and shutdown. Warhammer/Conan anyone?

Rift at least had world pvp at lv 50 or below when the game released at first month

You know what? if champ gear didn't exist it would still be an insane grind but it would be better. As it stands, champ gear does exist and it's a lottery until you hit valor 60. And it's a problem IMO. I'm currently valor 52. I'll be getting valor 60 sometime. I still think it's heavily flawed and needs work. There needs to be a WZ comm set that is comparable to a level 50 dungeon set to get new players ready to start. There isn't one. Right now the game is brand new and people are already coming up against fully champ/battlemaster geared players when hitting 50 not to mention while leveling. Imagine what that's going to to be like for new 50s in a month. It's going to keep people from playing. In beta there was a lot more PVP gear available while leveling, they removed it. They removed the blue level 50 pvp set as well a couple patches ago. They need to start putting in more gear.