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LionRampant
01.12.2012 , 05:12 PM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by daeseer View Post
Okay, seriously, think about this for a second.

He was running 3 1 GB sticks of dual channel RAM, 1 matched pair and 1 single stick in the other pair of slots. This means his motherboard switched to single channel mode.

Just making matched pairs, regardless of how much more RAM he has, would improve overall performance significantly since his board is now running in dual channel mode. It effectively doubles the throughput of the pipeline between the RAM and CPU.

Dual channel RAM is a serious performance improvement over single. Do you disagree with that statement?
Having his board work in Dual Channel might help...a tad. You can't seriously be suggesting he has gone from 1 fps to 60 fps just by buying new memory though and I suspect that you are well aware of that.

Also, my memory is dual channel, 4 GB and it's still performing badly in the same area. Why is that? It's performing badly with 6 GB as well...because there is no difference between 4 and 6 GB in this game.

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daeseer
01.12.2012 , 05:17 PM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by LionRampant View Post
Having his board work in Dual Channel might help...a tad. You can't seriously be suggesting he has gone from 1 fps to 60 fps just by buying new memory though and I suspect that you are well aware of that.
Well, I don't particularly have a reason to be skeptical. I have, however, found you to be an entirely abrasive, prideful, and inflexible person in this short forum exchange. And I'm far from confident that you really understand as much about hardware as you'd like us to think.

Lots of people made suggestions based on what they know, me included. I grant that I don't know everything about computers. But an upgrade of RAM for 50 bucks, and the OP is a happy camper. Is that a bad outcome?

If the OP upgraded his RAM and is now happy with his performance, that was the point of this thread, was it not? That's why I believe him when he says it's better. Why would he lie about that?

Yeah, I'm done, by the way. I was enjoying talking about hardware. This has devolved into pretty useless stuff now.

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DeeckTator
01.12.2012 , 05:17 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by Gomuningen View Post
Your RAM and AMD sound like the culprit here. I used to run a Phenom X940 or something and 3 gigs of ram, recently upgraded to Intel I7 2600K Sandy Bridge and 8gigs of ram.

Now runs as smooth butta!! Even though Intel is x2 the cost of AMD, I will never go back. Again I am not a college crash strapped student anymore either.

If you are not willing to invest in a new CPU try getting more RAM.
Go in UEFI (the replacement for Bios) and turn off hyperthreading and it will be even faster unless you multitask alot.

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DeeckTator
01.12.2012 , 05:19 PM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by LionRampant View Post
Having his board work in Dual Channel might help...a tad. You can't seriously be suggesting he has gone from 1 fps to 60 fps just by buying new memory though and I suspect that you are well aware of that.

Also, my memory is dual channel, 4 GB and it's still performing badly in the same area. Why is that? It's performing badly with 6 GB as well...because there is no difference between 4 and 6 GB in this game.
He also tuned down the GFX to get 59FPS. he went from 2 to 20 with the mem upgrade b4 tuning down GFX a bit.

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LionRampant
01.12.2012 , 05:21 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by daeseer View Post
Well, I don't particularly have a reason to be skeptical. I have, however, found you to be an entirely abrasive, prideful, and inflexible person in this short forum exchange. And I'm far from confident that you really understand as much about hardware as you'd like us to think.
I started out trying to help the OP and got nothing but venom back from the start.


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Lots of people made suggestions based on what they know, me included. I grant that I don't know everything about computers. But an upgrade of RAM for 50 bucks, and the OP is a happy camper. Is that a bad outcome?
Great outcome. Had nothing to do with the extra RAM.

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If the OP upgraded his RAM and is now happy with his performance, that was the point of this thread, was it not? That's why I believe him when he says it's better. Why would he lie about that?
That "pride" word both you and he mentioned. I know what the OP is experiencing, I've shown numerous screenshots showing that memory usage is constant at 2.5 GB - btw weren't you going to screenshot yours with only SWTOR playing? - yet he insists that a measly 1 GB upgrade is somehow increasing fps from 2 to 60?

Hundreds of people could read this and actually believe they need more RAM when they don't - and plenty of people can't afford hardware upgrades willy-nilly. You people are a menace.

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myrmexaw
01.12.2012 , 05:22 PM | #206
If you have a copy of the game that runs well on one machine and badly on the other i would suggest doing what i did and delete the game on the machine running badly and doing a copy from the computer running well ... It seem dumb but it fixed most of my bad fps issue . My bd ocmputer had an install taking 21.5g and the good one 19.5... Everyone should have 19.5 gig space used on their tor folder not anymore than that.

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LionRampant
01.12.2012 , 05:26 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by DeeckTator View Post
He also tuned down the GFX to get 59FPS. he went from 2 to 20 with the mem upgrade b4 tuning down GFX a bit.
So you're saying that he didn't tune the graphics down before now?

Come on wake the hell up. The OP "claims" to have bought more memory...but didn't screenshot the results until after he had installed the latest Nvidia drivers...and now you are suggesting he wouldn't turn down the graphics settings before buying new memory?

If you had a gaming problem would you change graphics settings or install drivers first...or go out and buy some memory?

Seriously...use some logic. I'm still waiting on his task manager screenshot because frankly I'm not convinced he even bought more memory - somebody probably pointed him to a new driver instead of the one he got with the card and that has fixed his problem.

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DeeckTator
01.12.2012 , 05:33 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by LionRampant View Post
I started out trying to help the OP and got nothing but venom back from the start.

Great outcome. Had nothing to do with the extra RAM.
1. Why did you stick around then?
2. Yes it did. Win 7 can easily eat 4gigs before you ever launch a game, depending on what you have installed, what services are running and so on.

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DeeckTator
01.12.2012 , 05:37 PM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by LionRampant View Post
So you're saying that he didn't tune the graphics down before now?
I'm not claiming anything, just told you about one of his posts you seem to have missed.
Just after he installed the memory he went from 2-20, then he turned shadows to low and got 59FPS.

Why are you still here trying to pick a fight? just let it go, boot the game or something and have some fun.

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LionRampant
01.12.2012 , 05:37 PM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by DeeckTator View Post
2. Yes it did. Win 7 can easily eat 4gigs before you ever launch a game, depending on what you have installed, what services are running and so on.
You'd have to be really going something to be using another 1.5 GB of RAM. What are you doing, running two games at once?

This game uses 2.6 GB RAM max, because my whole system is using 2.6 GB RAM while running on a clean install of Win 7. I already screenshotted proof of this, it's undeniable.