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The Operative Nerf Wouldn't be Fair

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The Operative Nerf Wouldn't be Fair

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TheReckless
01.12.2012 , 05:05 PM | #51
Concealment Ops need a nerf. When bolstered in a warzone my then lvl 36 guard (spec'd fully tank and had level appropriate gear) would be destroyed in 3-4 seconds by an op that was a lvl or 2 below me. My skill to break stuns was on cd so all I could do was watch. I was crit for about 7k in one blow. By the time the stun was up I was down to about 20% health, and when I could start swinging they of course stealthed and ran away, most often coming back before I can recover to finish the job.

For those that say l2p, any other class I can hold my own against in pvp. Also this is not the first MMO that I have played as a tank either. Fact is the class needs a nerf in some way for pvp. Maybe adjust how much their primary and secondary attributes get bolstered would seem the easiest way without breaking anything for pve.
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Individual
01.12.2012 , 05:05 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by xcomax View Post
Maybe it's you that needs to "spend some time on an alt" since you think they are so OP. You have the same opportunity to create the class just as anyone else. Be our guest. Furthermore, it sounds like you're the one upset about it.
LOL you're the one the started this thread and you're calling others upset? Who is really upset. Also, when they do nerf them, it doesn't mean the pve part of them are getting the nerf. It might just be the pvp part. You're also not the only customer. I think a lot of people here are sick of this class just rolls everyone. Seriously having one of these classes on your team in a warzone is a game changer. I see these guys getting 400-500k dmg on Huttball, and you want to say they don't need to be nerfed?

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Supercaptain
01.12.2012 , 05:06 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by ckoneful View Post
No one? I thought so.

Can't watch it from this comp but I will when I get home. From what you're saying here the guy is basically in max PvP gear killing <45s in no PvP gear. What do you expect? If he's killing you in a 3 second timeframe when you have a similar expertise then, yes, there's a big problem, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

If he way outgears you you aren't going to stand a chance, that's just the way it goes. If anything, sounds like the benefits of expertise to damage in PvP should be toned down a bit.

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ckoneful
01.12.2012 , 05:08 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Supercaptain View Post
Can't watch it from this comp but I will when I get home. From what you're saying here the guy is basically in max PvP gear killing <45s in no PvP gear. What do you expect? If he's killing you in a 3 second timeframe when you have a similar expertise then, yes, there's a big problem, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

If he way outgears you you aren't going to stand a chance, that's just the way it goes. If anything, sounds like the benefits of expertise to damage in PvP should be toned down a bit.
Did you read it at all?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Supercaptain View Post
I'd have to see a screenshot to believe it, highest crit I've ever seen is 3.5k. Given we have no real combat log it's just he said she said but I'm highly skeptical that that actually happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHJeMY4-lu0

This is the guy tearing me apart daily. No geared 50s in that specific vid but watch how ridiculous his damage is then say you don't believe it as that's VIDEO proof from the OPERATIVE HIMSELF, even read what the video says on it.

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Uploaded by Reeno23 on Dec 30, 2011
My first 50 vid. I'm valor 54 with half my slots being champ gear, half being gear from questing; so I'm missing about 7% expertise compared to what I could have. The class in its current state needs toned down... that being said, every other 50 op/scoundrel i've encountered are a joke in comparison, so skill plays a large part.
There, I bolded and underlined it for you. Now he's full champ, prob some battlemaster at this point, and he's doing that to 50s with Expertise with all the damage he gains from this new gear, making him hit for what he does in that vid to 50s with expertise.

I swear no one can read anymore, it's pointless to try and make a point on these forums.

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Kuvi
01.12.2012 , 05:09 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Supercaptain View Post
Can't watch it from this comp but I will when I get home. From what you're saying here the guy is basically in max PvP gear killing <45s in no PvP gear. What do you expect? If he's killing you in a 3 second timeframe when you have a similar expertise then, yes, there's a big problem, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

If he way outgears you you aren't going to stand a chance, that's just the way it goes. If anything, sounds like the benefits of expertise to damage in PvP should be toned down a bit.
The lovely man already said it was happening to him and he's geared, my dear.
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ckoneful
01.12.2012 , 05:11 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuvi View Post
The lovely man already said it was happening to him and he's geared, my dear.
What this guy said, check my sig I'm most definitely a level 50 and at the time he was destroying me I had about 300 expertise.

EDIT: Lol, took the level 50 out of my sig apparently.

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Supercaptain
01.12.2012 , 05:11 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by ckoneful View Post
Did you read it at all?



There, I bolded and underlined it for you. Now he's full champ, prob some battlemaster at this point, and he's doing that to 50s with Expertise with all the damage he gains from this new gear, making him hit for what he does in that vid to 50s with expertise.

I swear no one can read anymore, it's pointless to try and make a point on these forums.
Your huge overreaction to anyone disagreeing with you is making you look foolish, just stop. He says he's missing 7% of his max possible expertise which is the stat we're talking about. How is that not basically geared to the maximum?

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Lmaonade
01.12.2012 , 05:12 PM | #58
this thread alone justifies to nerf operatives.

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Kuvi
01.12.2012 , 05:13 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Supercaptain View Post
Your huge overreaction to anyone disagreeing with you is making you look foolish, just stop. He says he's missing 7% of his max possible expertise which is the stat we're talking about. How is that not basically geared to the maximum?
"If he's killing you in a 3 second timeframe when you have a similar expertise then, yes, there's a big problem, but that doesn't seem to be the case here."

Adorable little Supercaptain, our friend said he was just as if not more geared than the
player. So you have already agreed there is a problem.
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ckoneful
01.12.2012 , 05:13 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Supercaptain View Post
Your huge overreaction to anyone disagreeing with you is making you look foolish, just stop. He says he's missing 7% of his max possible expertise which is the stat we're talking about. How is that not basically geared to the maximum?
Because fully geared is 10-11% expertise, meaning he's about 25% of what he could be expertise wise? Do you pvp at all?