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Chevex
01.12.2012 , 02:25 PM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by JNewell View Post
It may be that you will have to OC the RAM to get that 1066 speed. If you know how then buy it, if not buy the 4gb G Skill off newegg for $46 bucks IMO, its ddr2 800 which is what you have now.
Okay. 800 it is then. Thank you.

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daeseer
01.12.2012 , 02:27 PM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by Chevex View Post
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A/

^ that's my mother board.

Currently I have 3 DDR 2 800 (400 MHz) installed. Mobo is rated for DDR 2 1066.

Should I get two of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148286

And leave two of my current sticks installed (in the color coded slots) or will that hurt me?
Well, your MoBo is undoubtedly dual channel. You should always put in RAM in matched pairs.

If you have 3 1GB sticks, you should buy 2 2 GB sticks and put those in the color coded slots and then take 2 of the sticks you already have and put them in the others. You'll end up with 6 GB total.

Is your original RAM all the same model and manufacturer? You want to make sure you use the same exact type of RAM in the matched pairs. So if, of your 3 sticks, you have 2 of the same model and one oddball, make sure you use the ones that are the same model.

You should have 4 RAM slots. Look at your MoBo's manual and look for recommended memory configurations. Put the new 2 GB sticks in the first recommended slots, and the 2 1 GB sticks on the others.

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Chevex
01.12.2012 , 02:28 PM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by daeseer View Post
Well, your MoBo is undoubtedly dual channel. You should always put in RAM in matched pairs.

If you have 3 1GB sticks, you should buy 2 2 GB sticks and put those in the color coded slots and then take 2 of the sticks you already have and put them in the others. You'll end up with 6 GB total.

Is your original RAM all the same model and manufacturer? You want to make sure you use the same exact type of RAM in the matched pairs. So if, of your 3 sticks, you have 2 of the same model and one oddball, make sure you use the ones that are the same model.

You should have 4 RAM slots. Look at your MoBo's manual and look for recommended memory configurations. Put the new 2 GB sticks in the first recommended slots, and the 2 1 GB sticks on the others.
Indeed, all 3 sticks are exactly the same. Manufactured by Crucial. I used to have four but one of them had issues and caused corrupted memory blue screens all the time.

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daeseer
01.12.2012 , 02:31 PM | #114
Okay, I looked at your MoBo's manual online. You should put 2 new 2 GB sticks in the yellow sockets, and 2 of your 1 GB sticks in the black sockets.

By chance, do you recall if your original RAM was dual channel?

It probably is.

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Chevex
01.12.2012 , 02:32 PM | #115
Okay,

So what about this motherboard with 4 of these? Any criticisms on that setup? $20 a stick means I could get 8gb of RAM for $80. Or should I just get two of the Crucial sticks for $60 total?

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Chevex
01.12.2012 , 02:34 PM | #116
Just to update the thread. My wife kicked on my home PC for me and I remoted in.

I am running a AMD Phenom(tm) 9600 Quad-Core Processor.

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daeseer
01.12.2012 , 02:35 PM | #117
Quote: Originally Posted by Chevex View Post
Okay,

So what about this motherboard with 4 of these? Any criticisms on that setup? $20 a stick means I could get 8gb of RAM for $80. Or should I just get two of the Crucial sticks for $60 total?
I'd probably go with 2 of the 2 GB DDR2 800 sticks with 2 of the sticks you already have.

6 GB should be enough.

I'm not sure about your CPU though. Your RAM is certainly low, but I don't know enough about that generation of AMD CPUs to know if it's a bottleneck for you.

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DeeckTator
01.12.2012 , 02:35 PM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by Chevex View Post
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A/

^ that's my mother board.

Currently I have 3 DDR 2 800 (400 MHz) installed. Mobo is rated for DDR 2 1066.

Should I get two of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148286

And leave two of my current sticks installed (in the color coded slots) or will that hurt me?
HyperTransport 3.0

There is probably one roadblock specially on AMD, their cores arn't that fast, thats why they use more cores and more L2 and L3 CPU cache on their CPU's. and with Hypertransport (AMD's version of hyperthreading) each core simulates 2 cores, thus half the speed for each logical core.
And even in a threaded environment often all other cores have to wait for a single core, or in ur case half a core.

I would just get a socket 1055 MB, a I5-2500K (those chips is just begging for a 35-40% overclock) and DDR3 ram (get 1600Mhz, like a penny difference from 1333mhz)

Although you could wait a bit coz the new intel socket is launching now so the old socket stuff should fall in price any day now.

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LionRampant
01.12.2012 , 02:35 PM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by elidion View Post
So I finally got caught up reading this entire thread...I'm sorry the OP had to put up with so much crap. First Lion says it is SWTOR and not the OPs hardware...Lion says you need 4Gb minimum, OP clearly said he had only 3Gb, Lion still argues with OP that he doesn't need to change anything and calling logic fails. Lion says his friends computer that matches his exactly except for a slower video card actually runs smoother.

I'll tell you this Mr/Ms. Lion, sounds like something might be wrong with YOUR system and instead of giving crappy advice to other people you should get your own situation fixed.

OP if you are using 3x 1g sticks that is definitely hurting you, on your motherboard 2 of the slots she be marked in some way, usually color coded to show where to identical ram sticks to run in dual channel mode, which means you have 2 direct pipelines to the CPU instead of 1. So you typically buy in pairs (unless you are using an oddball triple channel chipset).

Also when buying ram, don't buy what is labeled as the fastest Mhz or Ghz speed. IF you're not overclocking you don't need that as it ties in with the CPU multipliers and stuff I won't get into here. Typically the faster the Ghz the slower CAS Latency you will find on the ram. So if you're not into overclocking, you should find ram that matches the bus speed of your motherboard/cpu for best performance.
I'll tell you what genius - why don't you run SWTOR and then hit ctrl-alt-delete and check your task manager - tell us how much available RAM you have. See unlike you I'm not just GUESSING I have the FACTS at hand.

Memory is almost completely irrelevant so long as you have enough. We are talking about the difference of half a percent from the slowest to fastest DDR2. You know *nothing* about hardware, please be quiet from now on.

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Chevex
01.12.2012 , 02:37 PM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by daeseer View Post
I'd probably go with 2 of the 2 GB DDR2 800 sticks with 2 of the sticks you already have.

6 GB should be enough.

I'm not sure about your CPU though. Your RAM is certainly low, but I don't know enough about that generation of AMD CPUs to know if it's a bottleneck for you.
Okay but is there any reason to go with the $30 sticks over the $20 ones?