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MillionsKNives
01.12.2012 , 01:52 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Chevex View Post
Hmmm, so you think it's a bad idea to get a newer 4gb stick and simply put it in the empty slot?
If you have 4 slots it's always best to put matching sticks in pairs.

So if you have two sticks you would want to place them as follows:
[X] [ ] [X] [ ] or

[ ] [X] [ ] [X]

some motherboards will color code the paired slots.

I don't have much experience with mismatched sets of RAM but it might be more beneficial to remove one of the sticks and leave the 4GB unpaired.

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Eboo-Kauri
01.12.2012 , 01:52 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Chevex View Post
Hmmm, so you think it's a bad idea to get a newer 4gb stick and simply put it in the empty slot?
Buy 2 4gb sticks or 4 2gb sticks with the highest frequency u can. Always check ur motherboard for specs before upgrading ram. Check for a gb max and make sure the speed will be ok. You shouldnt need to worry about timing if u see that spec.
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Chevex
01.12.2012 , 01:53 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
If you have 4 slots it's always best to put matching sticks in pairs.

So if you have two sticks you would want to place them as follows:
[X] [ ] [X] [ ] or

[ ] [X] [ ] [X]

some motherboards will color code the paired slots.

I don't have much experience with mismatched sets of RAM but it might be more beneficial to remove one of the sticks and leave the 4GB unpaired.
Interesting. I'll play around with it. That's good to know.

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JNewell
01.12.2012 , 01:53 PM | #94
Just to add.
either get matching sticks or RAM- 2x4g sticks, or one single stick 1x4g and put in there.
I personally would not put a 4g with 3x1g.
While i think the new RAM would default to the slowest sticks settings, that may cause problems in itself.

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_Contagion_
01.12.2012 , 01:54 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by JNewell View Post
Even getting the exact same parts, same OS, RAM, ect will run things differently. Alot of this is the engine.
This is the interesting about this problem. And it SCREAMS drivers/firmware of the hardware, or other applications in memory. Computers are deterministic so you can't just say "bad engine" unless you're suggesting they built randomness of performance into the engine.

And not just true randomness... one set of hardware is ALWAYS good and one set is ALWAYS bad. So the random performance degredation method must be tied to hardware IDs of the machine.

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SpyderBite
01.12.2012 , 01:54 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by ishtori View Post
its the game, not your machine. don't waste your money upgrading for this game.

i've got a

i7 3970k
32gb ram
ati 6970
256 gb ssd agility 3.

i get stutter and 30 fps.
That's your machine.. not the game. I have basically the same system with half the RAM as you and I get flawless fps at the highest graphics settings.
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Tripleforce
01.12.2012 , 01:55 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by LionRampant View Post
Yes that's a bad idea. You'd be better off getting a 4GB stick and throwing the 3x1GB sticks away.

I can assure you though, you will see no difference in the games performance. I have 4GB, I have the EXACT same problem you have in Black Sun. If it's a RAM problem then why would it work for you and not me?
I'd have to agree. 2gb of ram is a bottleneck but 3 is usually fine. I'm running 2 sticks of 2gb DDR3 ram in dual channel and my ram definitely isn't a bottleneck cause the game runs smoothly.

I'd say your bottleneck is your processor (if there is a bottleneck...), which you didn't specify in your main post. If it's an old quad core it's likely the culprit, cause more cores doesn't necessarily equal better performance

For instance my Core i3 540 with 2 cores will run the game better than a Phenom 4 core AM2+ from 2008/9 because it has better technology.

You might also have a different driver or software related issue because even with an outdated 4 core you still should be getting pretty good performance regardless...

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Eboo-Kauri
01.12.2012 , 01:57 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Chevex View Post
You know what. Best Buy is right down the street. I will go pick up some RAM and plug it in. We'll see what happens and I'll update the thread in an hour or two. If it doesn't help then so be it, but I would like to know for certain.
Never buy ram from best buy ill pm u when I get home from work in about 45 mins
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DeeckTator
01.12.2012 , 01:58 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by LionRampant View Post
Yes that's a bad idea. You'd be better off getting a 4GB stick and throwing the 3x1GB sticks away.

I can assure you though, you will see no difference in the games performance. I have 4GB, I have the EXACT same problem you have in Black Sun. If it's a RAM problem then why would it work for you and not me?
Memory is so cheap today they practicly pay you to take it off their hands.

Get a set of 2x 4GB modules, or even 4X 4GB like I did, since it's so cheap.

$120-140 for 16GB Corsair Dominator DHX 1600Mhz XMP, with fan bracket for mem. I haven't installed it and my mem is doing just fine, even when I overclocked 4 DIMMS from 1600 to 1700.

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DeeckTator
01.12.2012 , 01:59 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by JNewell View Post
I am sure it does work fine on those PCs. But the game should work fine for the guys with 16gb RAM, 2x580 in sli and an I7 @ 4.7ghz, ect.
I wish you the best and hope it runs smooth for you.
IMO do a cheap upgrade of RAM, see how that goes. IF you are not satisfied then upgrade other stuff. Having a better computer is never a bad idea, but upgrading for TOR may not yield you the results you desire. Go check out some of the other threads about performance issues.
If nothing else its a good read while at work.

Anyways good luck man
Then there is something seriously wrong with your system. Coz my game runs like a motherf... on a worse comp, never under 100 FPS.

Many games have problems with the I7 though coz of hyper threading. Each core is simulated as 2 cores, thus reduced speed. And even in a threaded environmenr, many times all the other cores actually have to wait for a calculation to be complete in a single core before they can thread the rest.
So I5 is in most cases a faster CPU for gaming than a I7. While the I7 would performe better in a Windows srv 2008 system handling background tasks.