SWTOR could use a "Karazhan"

Going into SSC before 2.1? Pretty hardcore. Did you come into BC in naxx epics? Seemed they were so much better itemized than the ****y heroic epics and kara epics naxx guilds mowed down kara. My guild was doing kara 3 nights a week until 2.1. But we were pretty bad looking back on it.

Kara had everything going for it. Interesting lore surrounding it, sweet atmosphere, a decent variety of bosses, etc. It's one of those few areas that after clearing it, I'd sometimes head back in and just look around. Plus it was the first real raid I ever did.

Yeah, this is total bs. TBC was when Blizz made raiding very accessible to casual guilds. I know because I was in one. Sure we were a good 10+ months behind the progression guilds, but we got to see the raids and have fun at our own pace.

I think your quote is more appropriate for Vanilla, especially Naxx [40] based on the percentages you've used in your rant.

Ill take Kara. Its all I did in the wow BC days, that and farmed ore in 8 straight our mining runs to make my thousands of gold.

Hated anything larger then 10 man raids then, still hate them now.

Ret was pretty bad in BC.
Seals could be purged off... yeeeaaaaah....

Anyways, I was in a good guild when t4 was pretty much the only content anyone could do... and low and behold I was holy. Ha full t4 so easy and we burned through content. The problem was I deployed. 6 months later my guild was gone and everyone was way ahead of me and I was stuck. Tried the holy thing but couldn't find another decent guild that didn't make me wish to drown every member in that guild(seriously, listening to the trash raiders talk about is like listening to teenage girls talk about pop singers... its just so gay).

So I respecced ret and was stuck until wrath... which I deployed again. Guild lead got hacked apparently and the guild was split up for a little bit. I just didn't bother rejoining. Plus, my job at the time kind of prevented me from dumping ungodly amounts of time into the game.

Funny how people usually rattle off a list of "OMG WOW WAS RUINED DUE TO... *insert LFD or whatever*" that was incorporated post-TBC while simultaneously stating WoW was fine before (implied as WoW was, apparently, 'ruined' by the institutionalization of these tools)... yet apparently TBC wasn't fine either for the exact diametrical opposite of the reasons previously stated to have ruined wow. It's really quite amusing to see some of the baddies whose career of failing seems neverending.

Having cleared all TBC pre-nerf including Sunwell, it was easily the best time of WoW. Always something to shoot for, always something to do, always some goal in mind. It catered to skill more than anything else.

Yeah no

I wish you were right but REQUIRING 25 man raids past the only ONE ten man raid in the whole expansion is NOT making things accessible for casuel guilds. I was in the second best raiding guild on my server and did run a few 25 man raids and then decided it sucked and only raided kara the whole time. Some people HATE larger groups and the minute you start requiring those larger groups over the smaller ones, is the very minute you make end game content not accessable to the small group of 10 IRL friends in a guild that can now NOT run anything because they dont have the required HUGE group.

Kara was one of my favorites, so yeah. I would like to see something along those lines.

Agreed!

The only guild I've ever started and run over a fall/winter stretch was to take a group of friends and relatively new players, get them geared, and get Kara on farm. We all had a blast doing it, and the new players were ready for bigger and tougher challenges afterwards.

But my goodness, I'll never, ever start/gm another guild. What a pain in the rear! I've never realized how hard GMs work to keep everybody happy. I often felt like I was a pre-school teacher. Once we had Kara on farm, I had to call it quits. And oddly enough, WoW never really got better for me after that.

Having a great time with SWTOR and I'm looking forward to finding "Kara" here.

Kara, from an atmosphere and boss mechanics point of view, was a blast. I had so much fun in there.

However, whoever thought creating a 10 man you HAD to run, then go into 25 mans was a complete nerf herder. Splitting your 25 man raid group into 2 groups + 5 leftovers to run with alts was a completely idiotic idea that should NEVER be replicated again.