DAoC style? A game you own...

DAOC is by far the best PvP any MMO has ever had.

I wouldn't even consider GW a true MMO but more of an arena-based game. GW had nothing outside the logging in and going into arenas with your team.

DAOC's PvP is second to none, and I still do not understand why nobody copies that system with the addition of warzones/arenas. This would provide the mainstream instanced pvp of arenas/warzones but also provide true world PvP that matters.

Now-a-days, games are loot driven. People only do world pvp if they will get currency to turn in for loot. In DAOC, people PvP'd because it affected everyone. Relics provided bonuses that effected those raiders just as well as those PvPing. There was no loot in PvP... only special abilities granted by progressing in PvP ranks. I was a rank 10 nightshade and I can tell you it never felt like a grind to me. In contrast, Ilum already feels like a grind to me.

But in terms of a developer, copying DAOC's PvP system is risky business because you are hoping your PvPers will carry the game forward. In DAOC, PvPers is what kept the game alive.

I still remember when our entire realm setup a 4am raid on enemy relics. My guild (made of all stealthers) set our alarms not knowing how many people would show up. Come 4am, we had over 500 people on our realm all ready to work together and make a clean sweep of all the relics. These raid were the best PvP i've ever had. It wasn't just a zerg fest. I'll spare the long details but anyone who participated in these raids knew how well organized and how strategy took a large role in success. Zerging keeps and relics hardly ever worked because by the time you reached the relic keeps, 500-700 enemies would be waiting on the walls ready to rain death on you.

Name another MMO that can bring 500 people together at 4 AM to work unselfishly for the good of the faction? None. WoW can't even do that.

Instead, BW/EA went with the mainstream WoW model in hopes they can steal some of their population with a extremely unpolished game but hoping the SW licencing would be enough.

I do give it to SWTOR for being innovative for a few features, but I just hope this game can survive its start. It is very clear either EA or BW execs forced this product out before it was ready.

It's exactly what happened. EA purchased Mythic because they could afford to, there was a lot of controversy during and after the purchase because Mythic didn't want to lose its sovereignty. They did because $$$ has the last say in anything, and the cash flow was needed, as you said.

And then EA did, absolutely, 100%, drastically change WAR from what it was going to be into what it is. This is EAs SOP and why they will never have as much success with an MMO as Blizzard. WoW was innovative at the time it came out. Blizzard gave it's devs more time and more time and more time every time they asked for it. EA drew a line in the sand and said "We want a game that incorporates a lot of things you didn't want to put in because we think it will attract more people, and we want it released by this date in time, period, we don't care if it's not even complete by that time."

WAR released early with tons of bugs and lots of unpleasantness and to a majorly disappointed fanbase who had been promised a "return of RvR" as a result. I have no idea why you're defending EA but your defense of them is baseless entirely. I am not misrepresenting anything in the slightest. You sound like an EA rep to be honest.

I don't think anyone mentioned they wanted class imbalances, buff bots, or the expansion that killed DAoC.

I would gather, they are talking about the PvP aspect, with realm vs. realm, base capturing, et al., as opposed to another game focused on instanced flag capturing/node guarding...

You know, take what was there in DAoC, expand on it, and make it better.

But that may be me going out on a limb.

/shrug

Eve Online - The Big Players with ease if needed....

Comparing sizes:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/10...-on-right-now/

That's up to 3000 players fighting with each other on the same server at the same time, in the same system

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World

At least that looks promising. It'll be worth picking up just to try it out, I think. No subscription fees is a bonus as well.

GW 1 was great, GW 2 will be great, the balancing was amazing, the faction system was cool (yes there was a kind of instanced RvR in GW ).....

GW2 ll most likely rock, they know what they do and they have a huge fanbase...

Won't ever work again until game companies remember to put in a 3rd Faction(or no faction at all via EVE).

On a positive note on World PvP based games, Planetside 2 is coming out and it DOES have 3 Factions.

But... that's exactly what they're doing with the WvWvW

+1

Someone understands.

Like anything else, it all boils down to money. WoW's wild success both revolutionized and ruined MMORPGs.

GW had 2 Faction funny it was balanced isn't it? Had maybe something to do that they had an intelligent matching system, and premades were usual....

Loved it rollin with my team through my opponents