Mitigation, the REAL problem. Also, operatives need a 2x dmg multiplier.

Tanks are viable. No question about that.

The issue is tank PvP items and lots of tank talents that focus on shield, absorb and defense. Stats that half of the advanced classes totally ignore.

Against dps Operatives, dps Merceneries, Powertechs and dps Sorceres you might as well be in DPS PvP equipment. And you might as well be in mostly DPS PvP talents as well. Just use the tank "stance" to get access to guard and you are good to go.

Using tank PvP equipment and tank talents just does not make you a better tank against damage from Operatives, dps Merceneries, Powertechs and dps Sorceres

(yes - tank pvp equipment will still help you against marauders, juggernauts, assassins and snipers - and tank talents have a lot of pvp utility, such as grip for assassins and jet charge for powertechs etc).

I think it would be a Good Idea(tm) if some of the weapon based attacks that Operatives, Mercenaries and Powertechs use does not count as tech attacks. That would make em less useful against tank juggernauts, tank assassins and tank powertechs - but not really worse against others.

Then again. Bioware might have designed Operatives, dps Merceneries, Powertechs and dps Sorceres to be "tank killers". What do I know

Yeah that seems to be the round about way to tell on that site. Thanks.
The one problem I did find with Torhead though was that they say they use stated based on a level 50 in greens and last night when I was making my original rebuttal post to this thread I looked up the numbers they had for one of the abilities and there is no way they took those numbers from a lvl 50 in green gear. That's why I used numbers from my own character.

Baddie here.

Regardless of my baddie status, I don't spam just one ability. Unfortunately for the people here, my hard-hitting attacks -- the ones that the good PvPers use -- are kinetic damage: Hidden Strike, Backstab, Shiv, Laceration. Your 40.99% Shield Rating and 36.67% Absorption mean nothing. Armor is the only thing mitigating those and for that, we have Acid Blade for penetration and Corrosive Dart for internal damage.

The only damage I do that is mitigated by more than armor are Carbine Burst, Overload Shot and Rifle Shot, all of which I use, but rarely in PvP.

I've already given the details in this thread. I'm not going back and reposting it all just for you. I'm a shield tech.

Yeah TORhead is a little boned on that whole situation right now, I don't blame them for trying.

For the sake of this argument the numbers aren't really important anyway, it's the class of attack and what is currently applying to Shield/Defense that matters for this discussion.

Also note for dps jugs they have in reality more PvP survivability then "tank" spec jugs.

The reason for this is there is nothing that prevents them from activating Soresu form if they so desire.

As for shield chance and defense it is pretty evident that they took ques from WoW and War. Defense acts like block/parry in war since it was 100% damage negation every proc while shields act like block from WoW where it's a percentage of damage blocked.

Either way tanks are sad out of PvE.

Since most (or maybe all?) of the defensive stances are a baseline ability I think it would still be better overall to just spec a dmg line and run with the defensive stance then to actually spec the tank spec, you would get a minimal hit to your survivability but a substantial increase in dps ^^

posted mine before reading your post, yes exactly my thoughts atm.

I called my math because while the percentage on the average max stat shield chance was right reducing the 10% to 5% wouldn't be correct. Because I'd have to do relational statistics to determine average rotations and average class encounters. But that still stands that shields absorb for Juggernauts at max champion gear... a meager 10% of weapon attacks.

Your numbers had that at 15%. Not much of a difference especially if you play a powertech.

Also you never mentioned your class as far as I can tell. Or what you're using to achieve those numbers.

I'm not sure that you're trolling but at this point I'm going to assume you're ignorant. See, we can all take condescending tones here. But seriously, information on your class/spec/usage.

This I think sums up the problem quite nicely

Actually your survivability would increase because you could kill what your fighting quickly. Dps is a form of damage mitigation in its own right. Also a Rage/vengeance spec jug has the same exact armor rating as an immortal spec jug in equal PvP gear. The only difference between the two is defense and shield chance... Neither work in PvP..... soo....