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Republic Vs. Empire


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JustDocBrown
01.12.2012 , 09:28 AM | #1
So all throughout my RPG career I always, for the most part, tend to lean to the good side, or the good guys. So naturally, when i started swtor, I became a Jedi Knight. I got to level 22 and I was sad that I didn't start on a PVP server. So I decided to work on another character until they implemented a server change so i could move to PVP.

I decided to start a character on the republic side and I became a Sith Warrior. Now, my Sith Warrior is a level 12 and I have Light Side I. Even as a Sith I just CAN'T be bad. But really, my question is...

Is there any good in the Empire? Do they have good morals, do they fight for a good cause? Can someone convince me that the Empire is right? Because as I play as this Sith Warrior and am forced to fight the Republic, it hurts me. Because I like the good guys.

Thanks.

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Wheezal
01.12.2012 , 09:58 AM | #2
there are those within in the empire that crave order. they want to protect the galaxy through force, they're more misguided than evil, willing to sacrifice personal liberties for security.

noble intentions, just arguably questionable methods to acheive that goal.

the issue with the empire is that it is easy for psychopaths looking to destroy to blend into such a cause. it's the opposite of the republic, where arrogance and sedentary methods threaten the very peace they crave to keep. both have extremes that can be considered immoral or evil while attempting an overall moral goal.

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ikomajedi
01.12.2012 , 11:33 AM | #3
For me it is easier to use a school as an example.

The Imperial admin would have all the kids walking quitely down the hall, in order, in uniform, etc... As soon as one student breaks the rules, they are dealt with harshly. So harshly that it would serve as an example to the other students. This school would have a small population, bu it would be a school where the kids are never late, get straight A's, have no problems outside of school, want to achieve the highest level of academic understanding, and want to become leaders that will grow the community.

The Republic admin would allow the kids to get to class any way they choose. Uniforms would be encouraged but not required. The school would allow students to learn whatever subject they wish and even choose which teachers they want to learn from. Rules would be enforced, but from time to time, these rules could be amended. Students are encouraged to live and work as they see fit.

Both sound really cool right?!

That's the problem. Both are going to create a productive society but it's the means at which they achieve it. Evil exists on both sides, as well as good. In the stories the Jedi will go to great lengths to preserve a planet, but they will also not directly intervene to save the planet either.

An old parable asks this: A starving farmer is caught stealing food for his family. He stole it from a man who has more than enough food and even hordes it from other people. The farmer has 3 children and a wife who will starve if they do not eat. The law states that he should be prosecuted and the food returned. What is the right choice?

If the guard releases the man and lets him keep the food he shows compassion but he is breaking the law that was put into place to preserve peace in the city. If he arrests the farmer and takes away the food, he is showing loyalty and honor and letting a few die to preserve the greater good.

Jedi would show compassion, Sith would obey the law.

Which would you choose? Is there a right answer? It all depends on you...
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VanorDM
01.12.2012 , 11:44 AM | #4
Right now I'm reading Fatal Alliance the first SWTOR novel, and in there there's an imperial agent who's working in the Republic to gather information.

He puts a fairly good spin on the Empire, and how the lazy and uncaring Republic who allows it's citizens to suffer should be replaced by the Empire, because then order can be restored and everyone will be better off.

The above post about school is pretty good too. The Empire isn't evil, it's just very structured and ridged, with a pseud-cast system. But the Empire is truly trying to do what it believes is best for the galaxy.

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OmySpy
01.12.2012 , 12:22 PM | #5
I'm playing Bounty Hunter (LS) right now, and even though I go to the Empire for money I will forfeit payment if they want me to do something against my morals.

Of course that's just one players choice, but through playing the Imperial side I've notice many NPCs who don't seem to be bad people. Before playing the game I considered the Empire to be pretty much evil, but now I see that it isn't that black and white.

For instance: The captain of the Black Talon- not a bad guy, very loyal to the Empire but doesn't want to go into a fight he thinks is impossible (doesn't want to be thrown away). If you coax him into it, he helps you as much as possible, and takes responsibility for his choices. Nice guy, being an Imperial officer is just his upbringing/job.

I ran into an Imperial military ground leader who was very concerned about her troops, etc.

As was mentioned above, parts of the Empire work well with the insane, only concerned with their one personal gain-type of people, but many of them are just there because it's what they were raised into and it's all they know.

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JustDocBrown
01.12.2012 , 04:07 PM | #6
Alright, I think I've got a reason to play for the empire as well as for the republic. Thanks everyone for the input, it definitely helped

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Jellison
01.12.2012 , 04:17 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by JustDocBrown View Post
So all throughout my RPG career I always, for the most part, tend to lean to the good side, or the good guys. So naturally, when i started swtor, I became a Jedi Knight. I got to level 22 and I was sad that I didn't start on a PVP server. So I decided to work on another character until they implemented a server change so i could move to PVP.

I decided to start a character on the republic side and I became a Sith Warrior. Now, my Sith Warrior is a level 12 and I have Light Side I. Even as a Sith I just CAN'T be bad. But really, my question is...

Is there any good in the Empire? Do they have good morals, do they fight for a good cause? Can someone convince me that the Empire is right? Because as I play as this Sith Warrior and am forced to fight the Republic, it hurts me. Because I like the good guys.

Thanks.
The empire has a handful of good people in it and even then those good people are generally willingly fighting for a pack of meanies, making them also mean.

So yeah.

By and large the empire is mean.
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underdogwin
01.12.2012 , 04:18 PM | #8
The genius of any "bad guy/organization" is one that is convinced that what they are doing is right and that the so called good guys are actually the bad guys. That is what makes the best villains throughout any universe. Lex Luthor isn't a good bad guy but he is an amazing villain because he believes that getting rid of aliens on earth is best for mankind and he will stop at nothing to do so. The republic follows one set of morals and the empire follow another. However the Sith inside the empire are followers of the dark side and they are evil. They crave power and all that goes with it. Yet again it is two separate and opposing ideologies that make the Star Wars universe so rich and deep. Whichever side you lean towards may the force be with you.
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VanorDM
01.12.2012 , 04:40 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by underdogwin View Post
However the Sith inside the empire are followers of the dark side and they are evil.
This is generally true, but there are such a thing as a light side sith. The sith code is not inherently evil, just inherently prone to evil.

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geoffreyromain
01.12.2012 , 05:09 PM | #10
The sith arent bad they just want to be free - free to use the force whichever way they want... The jedi show no emotions and limit their force usage...thats just pathetic...thats why i fight for the republic not jedi order
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