Mitigation, the REAL problem. Also, operatives need a 2x dmg multiplier.

Then they must have special abilities just for you because I can. You mentioned tracer missle before which is once again kinetic damage so while my shields my not go off for it if it is a tech attack my armor mitigates it. And since it might be a tech attack doing kinetic damage it would have LESS base damage than a ranged attack doing kinetic damage.

I really can't be any more clear.

Hit P in game to show your powers. Powers are classified as 4 different attacks. Some are Melee, some are Ranged, some tech and some force. Shielding works against those classified as Melee or Ranged just like the tooltip says. I can see how that could be confusing to some people since Tech or Force attacks can technically come from range distance or melee distance but it's just a word to catagorize them.

I wish I could post a graph on these forums but basically the less things that mitigate an ability, the less damage that ability actually does for base damage. Conversely the more things that can mitigate the ability, the more base damage it has.

Lets say for the sake of argument that you're right and that nothing among how the attacks and abilities work needs to be changed.

Tanks are still left with "Tank" PvP gear that needs to be reevaluated and Talent Trees which place entirely too much emphasis on Shielding/Defending attacks to reach any effectiveness. These are still things that should be addressed.

I'm looking at it ingame right now and the "melee" and "ranged" abilities aren't showing up. Want to give an example? I know unload can be shielded against. The tooltip says weapon damage, but I have yet to see an ability that is listed as "melee" or "ranged" implying that those are the only ones that should be shielded against.

Beyond that, I agree with you...yes, every attack is technically melee or ranged. Which would mean they should be shielded X% of the time.

It's possible i'm missing it, for sure.

Then they must have special abilities just for you because I can. You mentioned tracer missle before which is once again kinetic damage so while my shields my not go off for it if it is a tech attack my armor mitigates it. And since it might be a tech attack doing kinetic damage it would have LESS base damage than a ranged attack doing kinetic damage.

I really can't be any more clear.

Disagree, I focus purely on stats that help keep my alive and I feel just very capable. The biggest problems I have fighting other players is healers if I can't interrupt enough heals. And since healers are sort of the paper to our rock I have no problem with that at all.

Well, I think Bioware just like Blizzard doesn't give a crap about their PvP content. You can tell by how well they balanced pve as all classes can do the content with only a few bugs at some areas.

As for people who try to claim this is all working as intended.

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2011/...k-role-in-pvp/

This is the lead PvP designer speaking about how viable PvP tanking will be. It is obvious after how craptastic PvP is in this game that he should be fired.

Disagree, I focus purely on stats that help keep my alive and I feel just very capable. The biggest problems I have fighting other players is healers if I can't interrupt enough heals. And since healers are sort of the paper to our rock I have no problem with that at all.

The point is, as i understand it, is that you get virtually the same amount of armor and Endurance on your DPS PvP set.

You don't take LESS damage from - for example tracer missiles - if you dress up in your tank PvP set commpared to your DPS PvP set.

The extra item level investment into defense, shield and absorbation is useless against pretty much all attacks Operatives, Mercenaries, Powertechs and Sorceres throw at you.

The extra defense, shield and absorbation does give you shielding against most attacks from Snipers, Assassins, Juggernaugts and Marauders.

The point of the thread is that Tanks would want to feel a bit more tank-ish while investing heavy into the tank PvP set when fighting Operatives, Mercenaries and Powertechs (and maybe to a lesser extent Sorceres). Some tanks feel the investment into defensive stats is not really worth it for PvP. That you might as well use the DPS set as that provide you with the same level of survivability but give you access to a ton more damage stats.

I understand what you are saying. I don't really disagree with you. But they have a point in that our current tank PvP gear focus very much on stats such as defense, shield and absorb... when the stats are virtually useless against operatives and bounty hunters (that use weapons. weapons that maybe should be possible to block - same as you can block all of the snipers weapon attacks).