Mitigation, the REAL problem. Also, operatives need a 2x dmg multiplier.

Still no developer comment on this? ***.

The issue is that there are number of very hard hitting attacks that tanks simply cannot defend against with anything other than straight up armour mitigation. Some examples:

Mercenary/Commando:
Tracer Missile/Grav Round - 1.5s cast spammable 30m attack that deals a large amount of Kinetic damage. It also leaves an armour debuff stack that is stackable up to 20% after 5 shots. Tanks cannot defend against it, and it even debuffs the sole mitigation Tanks (and every other class) have against it.

Sorc/Sage:
Every single ranged attack they do is are Force attacks, meaning they cannot be shielded or defended against.

Operative/Scoundrel:
Backstab, Shiv and Hidden Strike all do Kinetic Damage, meaning there is 0 defence against these attacks. They also get things like Acid Blade which adds an Internal Damage dot to their Stealth Openers (completely bypasses armour) and armour penetration to every other attack. Ever wonder why Operatives/Scoundrels wtfpwn every single class they meet? Defensive stats do nothing against Operative burst.

This also raises an very strange balance issue - nearly all the melee attacks the force-wielding classes do consist of Weapon Damage, and therefore can be Shielded/Defended. The melee moves an Operative/Scoundrel do are Kinetic Damage and cannot be defended against. In SWTOR, Vibroblades and Scatterguns are more deadly than Lightsabers.

Is this a troll thread?

Juggernauts pick up ball in mid and can walk from mid to goal with 4-5 people beating on them and still not die. They are completely out of control.

Second, Operatives have THE HIGHEST DMG in the game. Crits recorded over 8000 already in the first three weeks. They can kill someone with 3 seconds to spare on their stun.

2 Globals = 14000 dmg.

That is enough to kill a near full Tier 1 PvP geared player.


And Although you may be correct that the stat seemingly does nothing; if they fix that then Juggernauts with be much much much too strong and powertech's as well.

Also; Juggernaut TANKS, top the damage charts in 8/10 PvP Games some breaking 500,000 dmg in 10-15 minute games.

Exactly... I know Torhead has a list, but it's not very accessible... I guess what would be needed is both the kind and activation type of damage (i.e. Kinetic - Force; Internal - Tech; Kinetic - Energy)... the difference being that the consular knockback is a Force-activated skill, but does kinetic damage, while something like dirty kick is a physical attack costing energy that also does kinetic damage.

And then I guess it would need a yes/no column for each type of mitigation.

I sleep with Angelina Jolie, ok?

This is not completely correct. There are Force/Tech abilities that do Elemental or Internal Damage. Ion Pulse/Flame Burst is one example. In fact, almost every Elemental/Internal damage ability is a Tech/Force ability. However the majority of Force/Tech abilities deal Kinetic or Energy damage. Just thought I would clarify.

For anyone who may be confused, Force/Tech abilities show up in game as yellow damage, and ignore defense and shields. Elemental/Internal damage also ignores armor.

I put together a quick list of each AC and the # of Force/Tech abilities and Internal/Elemental damage abilities they possess. I included all possible talented abilities as I felt this better showed the versatility of the talent trees in certain classes (For example, Guardians can only gain an elemental damage in the Vigilance tree, where Scoundrels have internal damage in both DPS trees).

Also, I just wrote down ability types for the Republic classes, but Empire abilities should have the same classifications, although perhaps that is a dangerous assumption given the differences between some mirror classes.


AC........................Force/Tech Abilities.................Internal/Elemental Abilities

Sage/Inquisitor..................13.................... ............................4
Shadow/Assassin...............10......................... .......................2
Guardian/Juggernaut...........8............................ .....................1
Sentinel/Marauder...............7.......................... .......................2
Gunslinger/Sniper..............10............................ ...................4.5
Scoundrel/Operative...........12............................ ....................4
Commando/Mercenary.......11................................ ...............3.5
Vanguard/Powertech..........13............................. ..................6.5


Note: the .5 is for any ability that does Kinetic/Energy damage initially but Internal/Elemental damage secondarily. Also, I omitted the ability each class gets that only works in PvE.


As someone else already posted, its interesting that Guard/Jug and Sent/Mara have the fewest abilities that avoid mitigation and are considered underpowered.


I hate to nitpick, but Backstab, Shiv and Hidden Strike doing kinetic damage has nothing to do with defense, they ignore defense because they are Tech abilities. Weapons do Kinetic or Energy damage depending on the type, but Weapon abilities are still subject to shielding.

took me well over an hour, to read all 51 pages and i come to the last post and still find no

YELLOW WRITING.....

ARE YOU KIDDING ME BIOWARE. after the OP and the youtube video alone, one would assume you could simply state,

"we will be reviewing current PVP mechanics as they relate to mitigation and PVP stats..."

FIN!

i'ts extreme infuriating that this is being ignored while obvious individual forum cries like "I will quit if I don't get a purple crystal" are being specifically answered.

Are they aware how little the tanking stats affect PvP? Do they want tanks to not use the tank gear? Do they even care?

Qft

This is wrong, My spells get murdered by any armored class in pvp. sometimes i even hit for less then 1/4th what it does on another sorc