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Why is there a copy protection system in the graphics, and is it crippling the game?

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Why is there a copy protection system in the graphics, and is it crippling the game?

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shananigan
01.11.2012 , 01:27 PM | #551
Quote: Originally Posted by Incendergel View Post
So....

swtor.exe PID 6772 (27 threads) waits for another process swtor.exe 2156 (16 threads)...

Say what you want the two process communicate with one another. Look at the wait chains or fire up wireshark and do the math.

Client side performance will take a hit regardless of settings because they are talking to one another. Who knows, and maybe it doesn't matter, but the end result is that there are two *.exe's running and they do communicate. It is a hop regardless of what happens and therefore a hit.
Yea, that is a developer debugger, it should not even be there.
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Shivetya
01.11.2012 , 01:29 PM | #552
Quote: Originally Posted by Cioffaz View Post
Nice read. I'd like to get an answer, but maybe the issue is too technical...
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VorpalK
01.11.2012 , 01:30 PM | #553
Quote: Originally Posted by StephenReid View Post
I'm going to ask the development team to look into this, but I'd ask you to pull back on some of the more extreme speculation. Posts like this do not help us to have rational informed discussions about the issues that we are facing.

There is, to my knowledge, no single DLL that's responsible for a multitude of problems across the game. For example, our 'ability delay' issue is being addressed by the development team right now, and I've been told there are dozens of fixes potentially being looked at to help improve things. There's no single magic fix (although some fixes may have more of an effect than others).

I'll also say right now that we're not 'remotely rendering' textures and sending to your client via your internet connection; that would be some impressive technology and if we were doing it, is likely something we'd have talked about before now.

I'll seek developer comment on this, but I just want to caution anyone from overreacting.
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Grammarye
01.11.2012 , 01:30 PM | #554
In short, lack of technical knowledge strikes again, speculation runs rampant, and worse, the OP edits the post as though the original speculation is truth and the responses in dark blue, very hard to read, are just extra bits of info. Essentially Bioware is guilty until proven innocent, and whilst I desire as much technical info as possible as well, I dislike this approach. True investigative research is done objectively.

All that said, this is what happens when developers forget to properly name their DLLs and components.
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Tiron_Raptor
01.11.2012 , 01:31 PM | #555
Quote: Originally Posted by shananigan View Post
Yea, that is a developer debugger, it should not even be there.
But it could very well answer everything in one swift stroke, answering everything that IS going on here.
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Incendergel
01.11.2012 , 01:32 PM | #556
^^

Yeah - so far all I saw was the one PID swtor.exe 6772 doing a lot of reads but I'm only at the character creation screen though. At least two threads munging on program files (x86)\electronic arts\bioware\star wars - the old republic\assets\swtor_main_bnk_streamed_b_1.tor

Once I log in then it spawns several threads pulling in the main art pieces. Vehicle, area, global, art, etc. The "streamed" piece is interesting though but could be anything.

I don't see the other pid accessing files though at all. But damn the 6772 client process ID is spooling some serious disk reads

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DarthSublimitas
01.11.2012 , 01:33 PM | #557
Jesus, what ever happened to playing a game normally??? No strange download this, send strange coded messages to company servers that. I have such a headache from all of this...
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Incendergel
01.11.2012 , 01:34 PM | #558
Side note to the person who mentioned developer debugger. I uninstalled the beta client and removed the directory. This is a digital download from early head start. Not sure if you implied that I did something or it is something else or that is what it is.

Just saying I notice two processes.

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ApesAmongUs
01.11.2012 , 01:35 PM | #559
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*** are you talking about. It sounds like you are accusing him of being a conspiracy theorist. That would be an odd thing to do given that the part you quoted was about people investigating things. Did you mean to quote another post or are you just naturally confused like that?

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Dovahkien
01.11.2012 , 01:35 PM | #560
Quote: Originally Posted by Bluebpy View Post
To StephenReid........ and well everyone else who has been participating in this thread since the start


The reason why people think there is more to what you are saying comes down to performance

you have high end machines that are struggling with low res textures, other mmo's run fine, high end games i.e. battlefield 3 run fine. swtor struggles in fleets and in open world. the game chugs like its loading assets (paging issue it seems) and as a result you are down to 20fps.

Most people can't fathom how the game could be released when it runs so bad. Some (myself included) could let this slide if it was running high res textures and that's what was causing low performance (as per your 1st post/explanation on textures)

The fact is, the game is running low res textures, looks ugly, and is bringing down rigs with 12-16gigs of ram running i-7's and high end videocards in sli/xfire to its knee's

This is normal? Then you or someone else from bioware on a joystix interview say that its our rigs that are the problem.

This is why we think there is wayyyy more to the story then you and bioware are saying. There are too many holes in your story.

Don't get me wrong, i love swtor but my god the engine runs terrible


Bioware.. we are not console gamers, we aren't sheep.

We are pc gamers. We are smart and will find problems and call you out on them....
Not sure what game your playing, last i checked graphics are defaulted to medium...And if your getting 20 frames your pc is a pos.