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BloatedGuppy

01.11.2012 , 01:30 PM \| #91	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by supertouch the perception of a game's population is important. a game's world will feel dead if zones are unevenly and sparsely populated and people are locked away in instances. people just don't understand the nuances of mmos and miss the point of the genre completely. I think I understand the nuances of MMOs just fine. I've played almost every single significant release since the genre was incepted. Don't go all "No True Scotsman" on me just because I disagree with your faulty premise that having a bunch of idiots competing for limited resources is somehow a benefit to the player. TOR is not designed around large public gatherings. Neither was WoW. Didn't hurt WoW, won't hurt TOR. You know what game WAS designed around large public gatherings? Warhammer. Worked out swimmingly for them, didn't it? The game's world doesn't "feel dead" to me at all. I'm perfectly aware of the other players out there, and I'm happy they're not up in my face, compromising my enjoyment. When you go to bed at night and close the curtains, does the city suddenly feel dead as if everyone outside the window ceased to exist? This is a psychological problem stemming from a select group of players. Not a design problem.
"It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor." - Neil Gaiman

Jeditheos

01.11.2012 , 01:31 PM \| #92	Quote
The truth is the game is dying. something ...something...something DARK SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
�Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.�-Yoda. Don't let your fear consume you.

Cameirus

01.11.2012 , 01:33 PM \| #93	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by sithkllr On FULL server, Imperial side last night during peak hours - Alderaan - 92 people total. (and it was sharded into Alderaan 1 and 2!!!) Taris - 102 Imperial Fleet - 99 Tattooine - 67 How are these servers "FULL"??? What is the server cap? 1000? Feels like a ghost town in most areas. And the numbers back it up. On republic side you can usually divide those number by half at least. It is discouraging. 1600 players on average per server at PEAK time. Pretty pathetic

supertouch

01.11.2012 , 01:33 PM \| #94	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by BloatedGuppy I think I understand the nuances of MMOs just fine. I've played almost every single significant release since the genre was incepted. Don't go all "No True Scotsman" on me just because I disagree with your faulty premise that having a bunch of idiots competing for limited resources is somehow a benefit to the player. TOR is not designed around large public gatherings. Neither was WoW. Didn't hurt WoW, won't hurt TOR. You know what game WAS designed around large public gatherings? Warhammer. Worked out swimmingly for them, didn't it? The game's world doesn't "feel dead" to me at all. I'm perfectly aware of the other players out there, and I'm happy they're not up in my face, compromising my enjoyment. When you go to bed at night and close the curtains, does the city suddenly feel dead as if everyone outside the window ceased to exist? This is a psychological problem stemming from a select group of players. Not a design problem. that's called a false premise. let's talk about all the failed mmos that regurgitated wow's model.

BloatedGuppy

01.11.2012 , 01:34 PM \| #95	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by supertouch that's called a false premise. let's talk about all the failed mmos that regurgitated wow's model. Sure, let's talk about all the "failed MMOs" that regurgitated "WoW's model". How many are there? How many MMO's have had to shutter the doors because their collapsing model drove them right out of business?
"It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor." - Neil Gaiman

supertouch

01.11.2012 , 01:35 PM \| #96	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by BloatedGuppy Sure, let's talk about all the "failed MMOs" that regurgitated "WoW's model". How many are there? How many MMO's have had to shutter the doors because their collapsing model drove them right out of business? define collapsing model

Shroomfield

01.11.2012 , 01:36 PM \| #97	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by thorizdin I _think_ that BW wants a smaller experience so you get tighter population caps and much more instancings. Yeah, so it's basically Guild Wars or almost Guild Wars. Except Guild Wars does not claim to be an MMO and does not require a monthly fee.

BloatedGuppy

01.11.2012 , 01:38 PM \| #98	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by supertouch define collapsing model Well, apparently, if I'm understanding your argument correctly, excessive use of instancing is dooming MMOs to failure, because developers and players are all laboring under the misapprehension that it's far less rewarding to have other players constantly milling around you and disrupting your game play then it is to simply have those players available to you if you wish to group. You have suggested there are numerous "failed MMOs" who have implemented such a system, and, presumably, you finger this and this alone for their failure to soar to massive subscription numbers. Presumably that's your base line for "success", since with few exceptions almost all of the MMO's you're referring to are A) still active and B) profitable.
"It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor." - Neil Gaiman

Xylana

01.11.2012 , 01:39 PM \| #99	Quote
The people who are complaining about the lack of people in areas today are the same people who tomorrow will be complaining that there are too many people in their area stealing their mobs, so they can't complete their quests, and can BioWare please add more mobs so they don't have to fight other players for them...

VorpalK

01.11.2012 , 01:39 PM \| #100	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by supertouch having instances in an mmo is stupid. Having PvP in a PvE MMO is stupid. We can go around on this all day. Not everyone is going to agree. I vastly prefer sharding and instancing to having to compete for spawns. I don't play MMOs to compete. I like having other people in the world. I don't want them in my face and underfoot constantly.
CE Preorder VIP PvE players on PVE servers should NEVER be forced into PvP through the actions of greifers. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=159167

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