DPS meters cause abuse and take away choice!

And my point.. is that the people actually pulling their weight and take the time to do the best they can, do not deserve to have to carry such a player.

And what if you weren't clearing stuff? (btw ICC was the easiest tier of content ever created in WoW at the time) What if you had no recount and your raid didn't have the dps?...

What then?... Call the raid and go home?... No. I'd rather know what or who the issue is.... fix it... and continue.

dmg meters plz k thx

When the game becomes work--having to figure out the way to max dps, look up the "proper" and perfect rotations, perfect talent with maybe 1 or 2 flex points--it is no longer fun.

Having the meters will undoubtedly result in one spec rising above the others and becoming the only acceptable way to do endgame.

This doesn't mean I'm going to try to dps as a healing spec, it means hey there are 2 damage trees, i'm picking the one thats more fun for me to play.

What if you hadn't been clearing the content? What if you'd spent a month and a half on the same boss, always wiping at sub 5%? What if you realised that everyone was doing near to their theoretical maximum for their gear aside from one person? Great to ignore it when you're clearing content (and I agree, you should do) but when you're not and you're facing an entire team of angry people who are beginning to leave for other guilds or get restless and tetchy and snipe at each other on Vent week after week? That's a bit different.

Well of course they should have been removed. They're the weak "link". Never mind the fact that you're having a good time and succeeding. It's all about who pulled what. Not how much fun you're having. People that play these games like they're a job need to get their priorities straight.

w/e you want to call them. I'm decked out in full purples in swtor and absolutely destroy other people. Its pretty boring actually.

Okay, of course you have to do some minimal level of DPS to kill any boss, however neither of those bosses were necessarily DPS races where someone's lack of ultimate DPS was the cause of the wipe in most cases. In most cases raids wiped, not because of a lack of DPS, but because someone didn't pass the ooze off or stood in the spore cloud at the wrong time. That is my point.

Again, the healing was important, but more often than not, at least in the raids I was in, people would wipe mostly because the adds were not picked up and killed appropriately.

As I said, DPS is important of course, however more often than not the cause of a wipe has nothing to do with player X doing 2% less dps than they are capable of and much more because Player X didn't get out of the defile when they were supposed to. You don't need DPS meters for those problems which are the main causes of raid wipes.

Ok so?... My hobby is downing content in an MMO. Dmg meters ensure that we have to weak dps... So that I can accomplish what I set out to do as my hobby.

Are you judging me personally for wanting that?.. Because that is what it sounds like.

Selfish selfish selfish.

7 other people should suffer because I can't do what's expected of me. That is essentially what is being said with this no meters argument.

I have never ever used meters to harass anyone.

I have used them to better my raid to see who may need help and try to help them. If they can't accept my help because they are to selfish or can't press buttons fast enough, I have 7 other people in the operation to think about. 7 people should not suffer for one persons lack of learning skills.

I'm sorry if you can't accept that then you don't belong in operations. It's the price to play.

Sounds like the OP has been kicked off a few raids in wow for not having good enough dps. Well..join the club. It happens.

If they add recount, you better hope that the spec you like the most is the DPS king for your class. Otherwise, I'd hope that you'd don't have to group with half the elistist people in this thread.