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3 medals for 524k healing ~~ nice medal system BW

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3 medals for 524k healing ~~ nice medal system BW

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Kesal
01.11.2012 , 04:38 AM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Jooji View Post
So they add objective medals and tank ACs just go from 12 to 15 medals? If they took away a lot of the current medals and added in objective medals I'd completely agree.
Healers can do every objective just as well as any tank.
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Jooji
01.11.2012 , 04:44 AM | #152
Quote: Originally Posted by Jurisnoctis View Post
When I heal (Sorcerer), I usually get a KB in with Shock, wait till 5% or less and it's all good.

Also, shouldn't you be getting the 10 kills, 25 kills medals?

I can most times get the solo kill and KB medal by bumrushing into a group of enemies and hitting the guy at 10% after a battle. If it happens it happens, if not, no assassin medal.

If/when I hit the 300k healing medal, I usually hard-stop healing and go for the 75k damage medal.

So yeah, I think BW doesn't want your "healbot" spam.

Also, people usually +MVP the green names they see when healed =)
You're under the assumption I have time to tag people while healing my balls off. There's a big difference in healing output from 300k to 600k, but that should be obvious.

In the crazy games where you get a ton of healing you really don't have the spare GCDs to farm medals. Maybe you just haven't played any of these, I really don't know, but I've had 15 minute fights on Alderaan nodes where multiple people were under 50% most of the time. Tagging enemies isn't priority over healing in these situations.

If I'm healing a game where I only have 2-300k healing I usually can get the 75k medal, 10 kills, 25 kills, etc...but even then tanks get 2-4 more medals.

And unfortunately on my server people vote solely based on medals. I get votes from my premade but that's about it, our tank our assassin gets all the pug votes since they're usually sitting at 11-12 medals.

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Kalantris
01.11.2012 , 05:09 AM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
If you cant get the killing blow as a healer you are not playing to close to your potential, and playing extremely passive. Its PvP, not PvE, you are not supposed to JUST healbot an entire game. My friend always gets the 75k dmg, killing blow and 10 kills atleast, playing a sage. The biggest difference here will be the 25 kills that I will certainly always get, and he most probably wont. The solo kill is bugged to sh*t and i rarely ever get that one, get it about as often as he does.

So the difference isnt alot at all.
Not ture. That depends on the warzone. If it's a really close match, then there's NOTHING you can do except for healing. It's not just the lack of time, but also force. You need every little scrap of it you can get to get the heals going, otherwise your people are going to start dying. You need to keep everyone alive to make sure the enemy fire is kept divided between as many targets as possible.

The problem with assists is that you don't get one when you do YOUR job and heal someone fighting someone else. You actually need to do damage, which means you have to stop doing your job and start DPSing. It's fairly easy in a standard warzone, but when it's really rough out there and you reach the peak of your talent and play the game of your life you are rewarded with 3 medals.


Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
I dont think I have ever seen a tank above 300k, whilst I get it pretty much every single game, and so does an Assassin, whilst spamming taunt on CD for the defensive point.
I have. Even if they don't they still get 3 out of 4 dps medals (2.5k, 5k, 75k). Then they get half of healers' medals (2.5k, 5k), their own guard medals and then kills, which is pretty easy since they're there and they have their AoE, so you can tag many targets. Sages don't get a real AoE on a healing spec, you need to cast a channeled AoE, which costs a sh*tload of force and requires a sh*tload of time to launch (first hit after 2.5s of channeling). You can heal around 8k hitpoints during the same period and save somebody's life. Doing your job. Not getting medals. That's why I switched to DPS spec and enjoy my 7-8 medals every game. Hell, I don't even care if I win anymore. I still get my goods. Ofcourse I try to win to finish the daily asap, but then again the quest is bugged to hell and I had to win 9 warzones on monday to get my daily done, so who cares?

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Kalantris
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Lasica
01.11.2012 , 05:18 AM | #154
It seems the main issue is that biochem gives dps/tanks 2 of the healer medals. Remove that and it evens up a lot more.

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Elissan
01.11.2012 , 05:31 AM | #155
Just remove this medal thng and the pvp will be ok...

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BambulaGTS
01.11.2012 , 05:35 AM | #156
More medals for healers?

I see ppl standing still and casting dat ability that converts hp into mana and then healing themselves.

They got medals, but if u increase the numbers, every corner will be full of such "healers".

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Demarcc
01.11.2012 , 05:52 AM | #157
Read this with interest and as a healer I feel for the other healers out there.

Personally I play a Smug healer (Sawbones) and in general I can earn 7-10 medals a match. Thats in general tho. If the opponents are good then I'll struggle to get 5.

Now to all the posters saying "throw some DoT's Dont just heal" etc etc. Yes I'm fully aware of how my class plays and like I say I generally get 7-10. This is with a nice mix of DPS and healing with objective play. However, in a tight game stopping to get 75K dmg, solo kills, killing blows etc is just not viable. Sure i may throw out a few DD attacks but I'll be mainly focused on keeping my guys alive and these medals will be hit and miss at best in a close game. For the DPS/tanks however they are practically a given.

Realistically DPS earns medals far easier than healers, and tanks? OMG dont get me started on tanks. Medals for guarding X amount without dying? Why the F are tanks getting that medal? Healers are healing them so they CAN guard X amount without dying .. why are the tanks getting that medal? Blows my mind !!

One of my regular tanks earns 10-13 medals a game .. another 9-11. A a healer I get 10 (11 once in a blue moon) usually 7-9 is more normal and work my *** off for those medals.

Anyone who thinks that healers medal gains are in line with DPS / Tanks needs to go roll a healer. Hell go roll a tank if your a DPS class and then we can all join in once voice saying this **** aint right.

(PS I play a tank as well .. i can LOL my way through a game lose totally and still walk out with 9-12 medals)

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KLGr
01.11.2012 , 05:55 AM | #158
Quote: Originally Posted by fungihoujo View Post
Do a bit of damage and healing- all healing classes are capable of at least getting a KB, 75k damage, maybe even solo kill. You'll get all the healing medals, likely 2 objectives medals, dps medals and 2 medals for kills- yes, you can never get nearly as many medals as tanks do, which does suck I agree- and with the level of damage/single hit damage you need to do, there's two dps medals out of your reach- you can still outmedal a dps with relative ease though.
I ve been following this thread for a while and I 've read this response countless times... Do you really think that a healer in the heat of the battle has the luxury to waste a 1.5 sec GCD on dps + alt tabing? And as for the objective hunting, healers go where the group goes. What is the point of a solo healer staying in the objective and earning defense points if nobody is there?

Cmon... are you guys in denial, or in battle with common sense?

Even the fact that you can earn the 3 healing medals easily through the use of Biochem should alert you that the mechanic is broken. So far I ve read healers asking for a rationalisation of the game mechanics that will allow them to compete and fulfill their role as intended and not further breaking them i.e. tuning cybertech so it can secure 3 easy medals, and on the other side "L2P" posters who just want to continue this gear gap so they can satisfy their epeen.

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DarthDendory
01.11.2012 , 05:58 AM | #159
The funny thing is I can play a Voidstar as a Shadow, bombing every single door, and opening every terminal, winning the whole game for my team, and get 0 medals.

Or, I can stand around and not care for the objective, just killing some people away from the door, and easily get 5-6 medals.

Useless system.
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Testdept
01.11.2012 , 06:01 AM | #160
Runing as a healer with our team, tank 10 medals, dd 9-10 medals, me as healer 3 medals. If i want some more i need to do some dps, 2.5k single hit or something else. But problem is when premade goes vs premade for healer is no time to dps od do something else, no heal = match lost.
So what i need to do spit on teammates or spit on medals?