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TheFugitive
01.11.2012 , 04:48 AM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by HavenAE View Post
Well I look for it to last me longer than a month or two.. HOPEFULLY.


But yeah, people really need to stop looking at MMOs as "the next big thing". Because none of them are. None of them will be, and the ones that DO try to break the mold fail faster than the ones who stick to traditional MMO framework.

It's pretty plain MMOs do not evolve in large steps. Sure WoW was an evolution of the EQ model, but in retrospec not by much initially. All they did at first was just streamline questing and actually give you a reason to do quests. Later came Battlegrounds, more organized raiding and endgame focus, ect...

SWTOR is an evolution in it's own right by focusing intensely on the story element. Unfortunately that's all they seemed to have focused on and it's something I hope they remedy soon or it will be a couple months and then bye-bye.

Personally I'm enjoying the game and I think it has a lot of good potential to be great. But if there isn't significant improvement by the 6 month mark (which I am optimistic there will be) I'll have to keep looking for a MMO home too.

And that's what anyone who is actually interested in this game should be doing, they shouldn't be writing a game off just a month after it's launch. Give them 6 months or come back in 6 months, and if it isn't what you initially expected... Oh well see ya in the next launch.

Why? Because that's how MMOs operate, and eventually people are going to have to start seeing this or we're just going to have a truck load of failures and people will keep going back to WoW.
I was saying something along the same lines as this a moment ago.

So many mmo's washed out over last few years that we now have a decent amount of people who just jump from one launch to another, expecting them all to fail, if this carries on then it'll be the norm and no future mmo will succeed, it's nearly already the norm tbh.

I've done it myself afew times in the past year or so.

This started (for me) after 4 years of EQ2 and 3-4 of WoW, coulden't seem to settle into anything, I'm actually content here for a change, and it's been awhile since i felt "content" in a mmo to stick around, so I'll be here for quite some time.

Although, i understand not everyone will be content here, but honestly, you'll get that in any mmo, works for some, doesen't for others.

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01.11.2012 , 04:53 AM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by darthjerro View Post
Also, lets not forget GW2 , if arenanet somehow pulls this game of ( without the trinity gameplay ) and adds some challenge to it where loot ACTUALLY means something ( GASP, I KNOW RIGHT, WORK FOR LOOT, WHAT THE....) and fights are more then just tank and spank bs, then alot of the serious gamers like myself will be flocking there in droves.
Except the trinity is STILL there, they just made it more flexible.

Trust me, I know there's a lot of people who think GW2 is the next coming of Christ to the MMO genre but, I like a few others have seen it in action myself, and I think you're all going to be sorely disappointed, Just like the people who were disappointed here.

I tell you what though, you want a game that is more tactical, more of a challenge. Go check out Tera Online, which looks promising, but again it'll only serve to disappoint.


Why?

Because gamers, even "serious" ones set their expectations unreasonably high for a new MMO.


As for the other points. WoW has proven that an MMO can only get easier as it gets older. there's no rule saying one can't get harder. Though I don't believe it will get harder either. But honestly, my life doesn't allow me to be a "serious" gamer anymore so I think it all works out.
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01.11.2012 , 04:54 AM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by Iusedtoplaywow View Post
I dont think you understand how business and things like profitability work. These things affect the quality of the game we paid for DIRECTLY.
I have a decent grasp on how it works.

But you can't force them to play, obviously without any criticism nothing will ever be fixed.

I was refering to the players who can't stand playing this, for them to be happy here would require a complete overhaul of the game, i doubt thats a good buisiness model, nor will it be profitable.

You'll please one crowd, only to inflame the ones who liked it as it was.

Best they can do is add some requested features, even this would annoy others who did not want these feature, like the LFG tool, some want this, others do not. Some have even threatened to leave if it gets added, or does not get added.

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01.11.2012 , 04:59 AM | #114
I think a lot of players try every MMO because they are searching for that game that they wish an MMO should be like. With better graphics and maybe new interesting features. When that doesn't happen they will leave again. These "wow-clones" will never succeed for those kinds of people.

Myself, I would like an MMO that was much like vanilla WoW, but with alot of features from later versions of WoW + clones. The best experience I had was in MC, BWL, Naxx (old). That was when content was challenging and you actually felt like you wanted to do them over and over again for gear. Gear that helped kill the next boss. Nowadays you just roll over everything.

Attunements and "fireresist"-items should be back imo. Those were the days. Seriously doubt I will ever see a MMO like that again though.

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01.11.2012 , 04:59 AM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikael View Post
Mists of Pandaria will be a big failure... people are tired of the same old same old and cuddly pandas won't bring them back.
No it won't. Blizzard always has big failures on paper. Their ideas always seem stupid or dooming to the game.

But in the end, their ideas always come out at amazing levels of polish and their content quality is nearly unmatched.

The game already has talking cows, little gnomes, goblins, space goats, and emo style elves. The addition of a panada race isn't going to detract from what makes that particular game the top in its genre. (the gameplay)

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01.11.2012 , 05:01 AM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Grissom View Post
2 million subs at 15 dollers a month per sub is GREAT profit.

Lets say they did have 2 Million subs. And all 2 million payed $15 a month. That would be 30 Million a month total revenue. But that isn't "profit". The game was bankrolled by investment banking financiers. According to game sites it cost over 100 Million to make. Lets say they owe 100 Million to banks.

Probably 60% of the 30 Million in sub revenue goes to pay for their overhead. Probably 25% of it goes to loan payments. How long will it take to pay back that loan? I bet only 15% is deemed profit margin. But truly, until you pay the loan off, nothing is "profit".

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navycrow
01.11.2012 , 05:02 AM | #117
Gandolf stoop trolling. if you was really quiting you would have post your account info but you havent so your either wow fanboy or trolling

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Ice_bear
01.11.2012 , 05:02 AM | #118
just hit lvl 33 on my SI and 28 on my JG, must say i kinda hit a wall and i hit it very hard when i beat act 1.....the story was very very cool as the SI but right after act 1 it just drop for me.. idk why or how but it just did now im just trying to keep going and hoping something will just wow me into it again maybe im playing to much but im still gonna try and do it, i was a WoW player but WoW crashed me when WOTLK came out as i am a pre wotlk lover, and everytime i log back into WoW it just aint fun because there is nothing new and i miss when epics where welll.... epics

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DigitalPrime
01.11.2012 , 05:03 AM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by Ganadorf View Post
Twice the pride, double the fall
Looking at your sig, You have unsubbed, correct?. Looking at this thread. You are just trolling. Why dont you move on back to panda land or where ever it is you want to go.

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TheFugitive
01.11.2012 , 05:05 AM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by Swampfot View Post
I think a lot of players try every MMO because they are searching for that game that they wish an MMO should be like. With better graphics and maybe new interesting features. When that doesn't happen they will leave again. These "wow-clones" will never succeed for those kinds of people.

Myself, I would like an MMO that was much like vanilla WoW, but with alot of features from later versions of WoW + clones. The best experience I had was in MC, BWL, Naxx (old). That was when content was challenging and you actually felt like you wanted to do them over and over again for gear. Gear that helped kill the next boss. Nowadays you just roll over everything.

Attunements and "fireresist"-items should be back imo. Those were the days. Seriously doubt I will ever see a MMO like that again though.
I doubt it too.

I remember games and early mmo's being much more challenging, now it's all mainstreamed, mostly.

I don't mind it too much tbh, but sometimes get nostalgic about the retro stuff heh.
But mainstream will pull more subs in, so thats the model most will go with, anything else is probably a niche market now, those days are gone I'm afraid.

Might one day come back though, we'll see.

Then again, memories play on you, go back to these old mmo's and games, they don't feel quite how you remember them
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