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Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

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Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

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superlucci
01.10.2012 , 09:24 AM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
Well, regardless... You're going to get your wish. Bioware has already stated that they are considering adding a full fledged LFG tool, but they're waiting until the levelling curve is much higher. Adding it in areas that most people have already passed would probably not be such a bad thing, since it would be much harder to form groups then. Personally, I hope they don't go too far with it, and certainly don't make it cross-server.

You've decided to stay with your guild even though they don't currently meet your gaming needs. I know how it is to be with a group of people you genuinely like and have been with for a long time, but you guys should really re-examine your priorities if you're not getting what you want out of the game. Sounds like your healers are more interested in their bank account than running content.

Just sayin'...
This is my first post ever on any gaming forum community, because, I dont know. And I will also say that I am for LFG on server side but not for realm side.But anyways...

You do realize you are basically telling every single person who plays Star Wars that if you have any problem with the game whatsoever, you should not complain and its your fault because there is a possibility for you to overcome it.

Just because something has a possibility of happening does not make it probable. Telling somebody who just gave you valid reasons, which are common place reasons as to why certain features should be implemented, and then shutting them down because there is a way out of it is pretty odd to me.

This entire thread can easily have endless arguments for either side of this debate if we argue in absolutes.

On the LFG implementation side, you can say that any delay in doing any certain thing should be reduced to meet a certain standard, which Im then sure would simply be a subjective standard, therefore meaningless.

On the other hand, the people who are not for the LFG system could say something along the lines of, you shouldnt be allowed to use mounts in this game because it simply takes away from the experience of jogging to your destination and you need to explore a certain amount of content t any given time for it to be worthwhile, which once again is a subjective standard, therefore meaningless.

Nothing is NEEDED to be implemented, nothing is NEEDED to be taken away. If we argue in absolutes, but the problem is, practically every single gaming argument is simply an emotional, subjective, irrational post which can be proven false by using the exact opposite logic against them, including my own post, therefore Im a hypocrite and should shut up right now but I wont, because I am human and irrational, but will try my best to overcome in this post.

But anyway on to what I really want to say about this thread.

What do you think an individual playing this game is most likely going to do when faced with these 2 choices.

Choice 1. Use the Dungeon Finder tool because it obviously saves time, and we all have real life things to do, so time is always of the essence.

OR

Choice 2. Not Use the Dungeon Finder and wait a lot longer for a group, most likely ending up spamming Fleet Station for fear of the possibility of getting a jerk/ninja player?

Obviously most people are going with Choice 1.

Now I want to talk about the little subtopic in this thread about having instant teleportation to instances or not when your group is ready.

Hypothetically if we did have a LFG feature for only server wide, but nobody could teleport. The time it would take to manually fly/mount/jog to the instance would be tedious. What is the purpose of this? Why would I want to be on another planet just to have to manually fly to another, with all the loading screens, flying on speeders, waiting for elevators, and then using your own mount for destination, when all you could have done was teleport there?

This would be equivalent to saying we should get rid of Fast Travel in games like Elder Scrolls and Fallout simply because you should be exploring the content more. I know 1 is a single player game and one is an MMO, but the matter of principle is the same.Hell, lets take it to its absolute extreme and just make a game where you simply walk and look at scenery or something.

The whole community dying down argument doesnt make too much sense to me. (Im assuming that this argument is in retaliation about Server Wide LFG and not the Realm LFG, since most people on here already agree with Server LFG)

All LFG does is take the tedious effort out of finding a group. It doesnt take the challenging effort out of the game.

A Server Side LFG is not like add ons which water down the gameplay experience, it simply makes the tedious chores in the game not be there

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GongStar
01.10.2012 , 09:30 AM | #222
Everytime there is a vote on LFD the idea gets crushed.
It matters little what some of you think since the majority seem to think that LFD is not worth having.
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alkanterah
01.10.2012 , 01:46 PM | #223
Quote: Originally Posted by GongStar View Post
Everytime there is a vote on LFD the idea gets crushed.
It matters little what some of you think since the majority seem to think that LFD is not worth having.
Even if that were true, it would merely mean ignorance has prevailed and there's no reason to not inform people with clear misconceptions on how it would or could apply to this game.

Of course it matters what people think. To say otherwise is just, well.. Stupid.
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Wolftrot
01.10.2012 , 01:50 PM | #224
here's a tip. Make friends and leave a good impression by not being a jerk and by actually making an effort to socialize and not play it as a singleplayer game.

Also help people that are leveling even if it's out of your way. You'd be surprised how many of them will catch up to you or surpass you in levels and invite you later on.

I can get a group going anytime I wish to, simply because people WANT to group with me.
That said, I actually don't form groups from my friend list all the time because I want to meet new people and expand the list.

cheers!
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Moricthian
01.10.2012 , 01:55 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolftrot View Post
here's a tip. Make friends and leave a good impression by not being a jerk and by actually making an effort to socialize and not play it as a singleplayer game.

Also help people that are leveling even if it's out of your way. You'd be surprised how many of them will catch up to you or surpass you in levels and invite you later on.

I can get a group going anytime I wish to, simply because people WANT to group with me.
That said, I actually don't form groups from my friend list all the time because I want to meet new people and expand the list.

cheers!
While this is certainly good to do, it doesn't always work out this way. Even if I choose to be the best/friendliest player I can be, I can still have trouble getting a group on a Tuesday morning (when I have off). An LFD will enable to experience all the content of this game. Simply being kind isn't enough to get me a group.

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darkdayze
01.10.2012 , 01:55 PM | #226
Quote: Originally Posted by Reevax View Post
I have seen people posting for and against the LFD but I have never really seen any rational argument against it.

Argument:

LFD killed the WoW community and before the LFD there was a great solid community.

umm, what WoW did you play? The WoW community was full of ninja looters, cry babies, and general jerks long before the LFD was ever invented

Argument:

LFD killed guilds.

Guild ranks is what hurt guilds, the LFD made people want to group with the guild first and use the LFD only if they had to. If anything it made guilds stronger.

Argument:

Looking for people in trade channels builds friendships and a better community

umm, what? spamming a channel is spamming a channel and nothing more. Remember the LFD tries to group you with people on your own server first in WoW, giving you more chances to meet people then spamming a channel ever could.


I have never seen a valid reason against the LFD, all I have seen are people remembering something that never actually excited, this super tight server community in WoW.
Argument:

Looking for people in trade channels builds friendships and a better community

Right. Because if I KNOW you and you are a jerk....I can not group with you anymore. If you are a kind person, I then made a friendship and can put you on my friends list for future endevours. I can't do that cross realm. If you can, let me know.

LFD, on different realms is the problem. Not on the same server. I think most people are ok with same server. Just not ok cross-realm. There is a difference.

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Wolftrot
01.10.2012 , 02:03 PM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by Moricthian View Post
While this is certainly good to do, it doesn't always work out this way. Even if I choose to be the best/friendliest player I can be, I can still have trouble getting a group on a Tuesday morning (when I have off). An LFD will enable to experience all the content of this game. Simply being kind isn't enough to get me a group.
I see your point. LFD could help, but I'd certainly want to keep it server side. That way community can still police itself by putting jerks on ignore and etc. Keeps it healtheir imo.
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xngxng
01.10.2012 , 02:09 PM | #228
+1 op

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ferroz
01.10.2012 , 02:09 PM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by GongStar View Post
Everytime there is a vote on LFD the idea gets crushed.
It matters little what some of you think since the majority seem to think that LFD is not worth having.
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ferroz
01.10.2012 , 02:11 PM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolftrot View Post
here's a tip. Make friends and leave a good impression by not being a jerk and by actually making an effort to socialize and not play it as a singleplayer game.
I do that, but I'm also in favor of an LFD tool. It lets me meet more people, get to know more people and be more social... not less.

I have very interest in being in a tiny little clique.