Playing vs Pre-Mades is frustrating, disrespectful...

Now speaking of inability to read. Here's quoting you,

"That way you are not FORCING solo/pugs to go against pre-mades. "

Again, as my reply states, you are not FORCED into anything. If you encounter a warzone that has a premade, you are not FORCED to stay there. You can simply exit the warzone and q for another. Your comments assume that ALL warzones are Premade, which they are not. That relates directly to your previous comment.

Next quote,

"A pre-made in PVP should ONLY be looking to fight another pre-made"

Then define what is a pre-made, because apparently some people here find a group of 3-4 50s as premades. So based on that standard, you're suggesting that my group should ONLY fight another group of 3-4? That is called Arenas in WoW.

So again, no one is FORCED to into anything right now. Being forced means you don't have a choice. And as I mentioned, you have a choice to leave the warzone and find another one with better odds, as well as the choice to find a group.

Try again, kid.

Whats wrong with being steamrolled in PvP? Thats part of the process, you should probably get used to it, because it's going to happen to your pre-mades too. Thats just how it goes, guy.

I love to solo pvp, however I don't expect pug pvp groups to perform at any level, because they wont, and I will be disappointed. Not being disappointed keeps it fun, so I don't get my hopes up for victories when I'm pugging my Qs.

Even after WoW's "brilliant" rated BG implementation there were still plenty of pre-mades steamrolling nubs in unrated BGs. So, the "pre-made vs pre-made" system simply doesn't prevent this from happening.

I run into an opposing premade as often as I run into a full team of PUGs.

Try again?

You like to insult yourself.

Quitting WZs being the only solution mentioned is a FORCE. and doing so FORCED removal of any medals you actually worked for and FORCED to lose time spent in que. Oh, I'm sorry was I too fast again? did I lose you?

Obviously I do not see a problem with 2-3 pple queing together against PUG/Random. But anymore than that and Pre-mades will just exploit it.

The choice was made to que solo into WZ, que pops, WZ is entered. You cannot choose to not fight the pre-made that you find yourself against and still be able to play in the WZ you waited for, you cannot choose to ensure that queing solo is only queing against other non-premades, therefore you are BEING FORCED one way or another

Luckily, for the majority of the player base, they are never going to separate premades from being able to queue against PUGs. It sounds like it is going to be a rough adjustment for you in SWTOR.

20 bucks says you cancel your sub within 30 days or you join a guild that PVPs.

If Q times took longer than about....45 seconds....you might have a decent argument here.

Fortunately, my Q times are basically instant most nights, so quit whining, leave, Q up, and be in another WZ in less than a full minute.

Well you beat me before my edit. GG. I edited to add that if premades are allowed to continue to roll pugs most won't fight other premades, therefore making my queue times very long.

I already mentioned the problem with separation that both WoW and Rift suffer from, namely premades sync-queuing into solo games. No company I know of has prevented this yet. I'm waiting for the happy day when one does. As I already stated (possibly in another thread) I don't think Bioware will be that company.

Holy crap, you have no idea what Choices are do you?

So when you go to a restaurant with a 50min wait, do you say that THEY Forced you to go somewhere else? or you are FORCED to wait? No you have a choice to go somewhere else, or you choose to wait. Oh I'm sorry, they forced you to lose gas and time to go to another place.

If you find an item in a retail store that's 2x the cost at another retail store, do you say they FORCED you to shop at another store? No, but they gave you a reason to shop elsewhere.

Seriously dude. Just because you have some delusions to reality, doesn't mean others have to fall to your failed logic. Move on little one.

I'm done with you here. I've got better things to do than to kill brain cells to get to your level, like enjoy lunch.

Notice how several others don't agree with you. I'm not the only one that recognizes your fallacy. Cya kiddo.

Actually, I'm thinking about joining a pvp guild soon to try this out. However, once they separate the brackets and allow players to choose their warzones past experience in other games tells me most premades will be able to avoid each other, so rolling pugs will become much more common.

I think I saw something the other day from the pvp team that stated they're going to create a 50 only bracket and establish rated pvp.


the premade thing hasn't been that horrible to me, its only happened a couple times and the solution is simple, leave the que and go do something else. But if this really is about organized pvp and fighting other premades then you shouldn't be radically opposed to the above. But i suspect its also about easy victories and enlarging e-peens otherwise if the premade que is too slow you could just que solo, problem solved.


myself I miss the days of playing on mordred daoc and running around and getting into 1-3 man engagements, or eq 1 back in the day and solo pvping in RO. But I have always been more about growing my own personal e-peen and not that of a gang.