Playing vs Pre-Mades is frustrating, disrespectful...

I actually queue solo most of the time once I realized that when you've two people queued together there's almost no possibilty of you getting one of the spots from the guys who join a game and quit immediately (because you'd need two spots open). I can get 1500 valor in a win, or 1200 in a long loss, or 900 in a quick loss, or I can spend 10 minutes in the queue. In fact, the quick loss is generally the most favorable kind since I can do 2 of that in the time it takes 1 of the other. Note that the 2Xpre-made quick win is impossible because once you win, the next queue will take a while (at least on my server), so 2 consecutive quick-wins are impossible for a premade but solo queuers sure can do 2 quick-losses.

Besides, a pre-made quick win is usually only something like 1000 valor because you'd have crushed the enemy so thoroughly that the enemy would stop coming out before the opposing side has died a total of 25 times.

I am all up for separating the 50s bracket from the rest... but removing premades(restricting them)?

That's going a bit far imo. Not all premades are op premades, some just involve 2-3 people queing together.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I have time to find a premade and queue with them, and believe me, I can get people to pvp with me. It's not hard. But I won't do it just so I can steamroll pugs. God, that's so incredibly boring and makes me feel like a real ******, too.


If Bioware implements premades, I'll find a team or make one and have some fun games. But I'm not going through all that effort and using voice chat just to steamroll people.

whats the big deal of a premade facing a premade? or half and half? everything in this thread is black and white, premade or not. If you want to play in a premade, you get put against other premades. simple.

so where is the problem?

Sometimes you have to lose, you just get out played. It can be rough but in this game we still get decent EXP, and rewards for losing. I come from games where one loss would mean breaking stuff, or not being able to sleep for a full night.

It feels competitive to me. The losses just make me want to try harder.

Here's the thing no one is thinking about. You're all whining about longer que times. sub-50s aren't going to que up knowing its going to be an instant face rolling. I played two matches where there was a pre-made, 1/2 way through the second one i quit and went and did my class quest.

A 50's bracket and rated pvp are necessary things. If your pre-made is suffering from long ques, then que solo problem solved. But we know the reason you don't want that is the possibility of forfeiting easy victories.

I expect when more people are 50 this will go away as an issue, but someone wanting to effectively compete in pvp with tehir sub 50 isn't an unreasonable request.

The tone of the OPs post is a bit whiney to me as I don't find anything that happens in a video game to be humiliating., but if you sort through it some of his points are reasonable once you get past the tone.

I chuckled. Bitter much?

Regardless of what Bioware does in this regard, voice chat premades are going to occur. If they separate the queues for grouped individuals and the queue times become unreasonable, guess what....

3...2....1...queueing

Hey look, this game has 7 guildies in it...

Instead of trying to take the multiplayer out of the MMO, why not work on those social skills, you're so sure we lack?

Forced? Go outside and take a walk or something. You're not being forced to do anything.

1. Bioware hasn't implemented a premade vs premade system yet. If I join a premade now, I'll just end up rolling pugs all day. Boring.

2. Not everyone has the time to form a premade and be on at the same time the rest of their guild is and it's not fair to them to make them pvp fodder.

3. I like to solo pvp sometimes, it's a great stress relief (when I'm not losing %90 of my games to premades). What is wrong with wanting to be able to do both?

4. If premade queues are implemented but most premade players remain in the pug games, then I'll have really long queue times.