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Crying about Operatives? I laugh at you and say look closer at Jedi Knights

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Crying about Operatives? I laugh at you and say look closer at Jedi Knights

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Bullsith
01.10.2012 , 09:53 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Ashanor View Post
It's called Master Strike.

http://www.torhead.com/ability/abYCO7E/master-strike

The problem with the cooldown is that there is SO much cc in this game that you spend the majority of your time outside of melee range if playing against smart players.

I mean, look at warriors in WoW for instance. They have had two gap closers for a long time, and I dare to say that TOR has more cc than WoW.. sadly.

I agree on the Master Strike by the way. I am not even playing a Sentinel at this point. Too many other classes preform better in unorganized PvP.
Like I said, the CD is fine, 15 sec is good, but I do agree with the CC, especially the knockbacks that root and snare you. Now those are simply retarded and an absolute spit in melee classes face. Not to mention what a total moron can do with AOE knockbacks in huttball. I don't like dying to dumb players who beat me with one button because... well the whole area favours them. Obvously Mythic feels I should. But they know best, right?

Anyway, what's really needed are smarter snares. Chilling scream, the AOE snare is idiotically inefficient if you are not Immortal, which makes it free, or Rage (shared AC tree) whic lowers the rage cost.

Smash should apply a snare IMO, saber throw too. I mean it's fine for most classes to stun you as soon as you reach them or knock you back but you have to walk funny hoping your resolve bar fills up before your health runs out so you could at least land a hit.

Yeah, and mister OP here is crying about JK and Wars when all he has to do is walk up to someone in stealth and score a kill.
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Sookster
01.10.2012 , 09:53 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by gibsonstu View Post
Hence why you havent seen how comically overpowered they are.
Myself and another Operative, though he was only 35, jumped a 50 JK (dunno what tree but was a JK). He proceeded to area CC (white effect like cowarding?) and go after my bud. I purged, but he 3 shot the other operative and proceeded to turn around on me, i think 4 shotting me, just know i saw numbers of 3800 2600 etc flashing on my screen then dead before i could even think about what to do. He also had some blue shield around him, and was taking around 600 damage a shot from me. He came out of this surprise 2v1 at 50% hp.

Until you see and experience the power of this class, you have no right to comment.
I play a juggernaut (same thing as guardian), since the population of republics is low on my server I face alot of imps in warzones and I've faced other juggernauts, I haven't experienced the type of damage but they are definitely harder to take down, and I thought powertech/vanguards were hard. But I have yet to come across one that does crazy damage, highest I've gotten myself was around 4.5K damage and that was with buffs, consumables really change the outcome of any class.

PS- blue shield? You sure that wasn't a sage?
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Noth
01.10.2012 , 09:56 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by gibsonstu View Post
Hence why you havent seen how comically overpowered they are.
Myself and another Operative, though he was only 35, jumped a 50 JK (dunno what tree but was a JK). He proceeded to area CC (white effect like cowarding?) and go after my bud. I purged, but he 3 shot the other operative and proceeded to turn around on me, i think 4 shotting me, just know i saw numbers of 3800 2600 etc flashing on my screen then dead before i could even think about what to do. He also had some blue shield around him, and was taking around 600 damage a shot from me. He came out of this surprise 2v1 at 50% hp.

Until you see and experience the power of this class, you have no right to comment.
So in essence he blew everything he had to kill yourself and a low level. This also just shows your lack of understanding what the abilities are. 3800 and 2600 are nothing compared to other classes at that level. I've seen Sorcs come out of 3v1 at 50% health or greater. Seen Ops come out of 2v1s at 90% health. A well played Merc can do that also.
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oblongship
01.10.2012 , 09:58 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by gibsonstu View Post
Jedi Knights at 50, hitting me for no less than 2.5k every hit, some of them 4k. The fight is over before it even starts.
4 Globals for a kill, thats no way to have PvP.
At least Operatives are situational and heavily relying on crits, if you mitigate any part of that operative burst then youve got them beat. Jedi Knights, nothing you can do, they just spam spam spam 3k hits on you. Not enjoyable.
Oh look another person trying to divert attention away form the real class needing an erf....Guardin's needing a damage nerf?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHA

Oh man that is rich. Guardian's totally 3 hit you in full champion gear while you are stunned.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the laugh man.

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cloudxshadowbane
01.10.2012 , 09:59 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Sevvy View Post
Another bad player crybaby that gets destroyed because he cries in nerf threads all day long instead of learning how to play his class better.
If I am crying all day long by default and definition that would mean...

You=Child

Operative player talking smack about another class getting destroyed even though they have no proof is hilarious in of itself and you are just insulting yourself constantly on these forums.


Operative in the sig, btw, just makes anything you post look like this: Please don't nerf my 100x overpowered class. I can't play anything that requires more than 3 buttons or takes more than 3 seconds to kill. I am PVP handicapped.

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Ashanor
01.10.2012 , 09:59 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Bullsith View Post
Like I said, the CD is fine, 15 sec is good, but I do agree with the CC, especially the knockbacks that root and snare you. Now those are simply retarded and an absolute spit in melee classes face. Not to mention what a total moron can do with AOE knockbacks in huttball. I don't like dying to dumb players who beat me with one button because... well the whole area favours them. Obvously Mythic feels I should. But they know best, right?

Anyway, what's really needed are smarter snares. Chilling scream, the AOE snare is idiotically inefficient if you are not Immortal, which makes it free, or Rage (shared AC tree) whic lowers the rage cost.

Smash should apply a snare IMO, saber throw too. I mean it's fine for most classes to stun you as soon as you reach them or knock you back but you have to walk funny hoping your resolve bar fills up before your health runs out so you could at least land a hit.

Yeah, and mister OP here is crying about JK and Wars when all he has to do is walk up to someone in stealth and score a kill.
I agree. Those are absolutely ridiculous. They need to get rid of the root on knockback effects. Alright, well how about a Shadowstep like ability also on a 14 second cooldown?

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oblongship
01.10.2012 , 10:04 AM | #47
OPs aren't overpowered eh?

http://youtu.be/DP-VnyJ0sJc

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Volacious
01.10.2012 , 10:04 AM | #48
The complaining about JK's will mostly go away once the lvl 50 bracket is in.

Until then the OP has a point - I have regularly 3-4 shot lowbies with T1/T2 pvp gear.

Vs. light armor 50's I can still get crits up near 5k, but honestly if you let me get close that's what should happen (right before the inevitable KB or other CC).
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Tic-
01.10.2012 , 10:04 AM | #49
Quick! Everyone reroll Guardian/Jugg

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Sevvy
01.10.2012 , 10:04 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by cloudxshadowbane View Post
If I am crying all day long by default and definition that would mean...

You=Child

Operative player talking smack about another class getting destroyed even though they have no proof is hilarious in of itself and you are just insulting yourself constantly on these forums.


Operative in the sig, btw, just makes anything you post look like this: Please don't nerf my 100x overpowered class. I can't play anything that requires more than 3 buttons or takes more than 3 seconds to kill. I am PVP handicapped.
Level, class, spec, and gear? If you're a level 50 with any gear at all, you really need to either reroll, or go play consoles.

You say my class is "100x overpowered" yet there is a large contingent of players that are not Operatives that say the class is dangerous, but doesn't need nerfs. Why is that? Explain that to me.
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