The Expertise stat has to go...

Then you should understand why Expertise must stay. Amongst the PVPers, all of the expertise stats will balance out as we will get the same sets eventually. Why is it that PVErs can raid and get those extra stats yet no one rahrah about them yet people demand to remove our rewards.

Let me spell this out for you...

I am a PvPer. I have no interest in Raiding. I DON'T want a PvP stat, because A) it deters new players from trying/participating/functioning in PvP because the "more experience" players have a stat handicap, B) it lowers the skill cap in encounters, and C) is annoying as **** when you roll an alt.

I have no issue with PvP gear, but a PvP stat just breaks PvP for new players, not raiders. What should happen is this:

PvP Chest
+100 Endurance
+100 Aim
+75 Crit
+25 Surge

PvE Chest
+100 Endurance
+100 Aim
+75 Crit
+25 Surge
+50 PvE Expertise

Now you have a system where0
A) PvP Gear is just as good as the best Raid gear in PvP -- there is a diminished gear gap and skill can prevail.

B) A PvPer can use their PvP gear to raid, but at -10% efficiency compared to a similar tiered gear Raider.

Both of these promote participation in both forms of Endgame. And most importantly,

C) It makes PvP more accesible and fun to newer players, instead of a test of patience from being steamrolled by people solely because they have played longer, not better.

And you say you are a PvPer??? xD Let me DOUBT IT. Aren't you handicapping a 10% to PvPers who would like to do raids?

So your solution is to allow PvErs go to PvP with their maxed gear which would have same stats than PvP gear but when PvPers go to PvE have a -10 penalty? xD

I don't care about raids, in fact I don't care about PvE content but... why PvPers have to have -10 PvE? If this is your solution, my reply is the system is PERFECT as it is, cos this way PvPers and PvErs have to do the exact work/effort to max out both of their gears.

It's already been pointed out about 100 times in this thread the better solution for expertise and moving it to PVE gear, I'm not going to type it yet again. Anyone who would disagree with that solution simply wants to keep expertise on PVP gear so that they can dominate new comers in PVP not with skill or team work but with a crutch to make them feel they are good.

"Among the PVPers" is why PVP has died in almost every single MMO to date, stagnation equals death and new players are the life blood of real PVP.

"Among the PVPers" is why PVP has died in almost every single MMO to date, stagnation equals death and new players are the life blood of real PVP.

This is just a dumb debate. Those that PVP will get the expertise gear and will get a small advantage over the newcomers. Those newcomers will then pvp and get their own expertise gear and get their small advantage over even newer players. This is the way it is and the way that it should be. Occasional PVPers should not expect to come in and be on a level playing field with dedicated PVPers in a gear based MMO. If you don't like where you fall in the system, PVP more and get the gear. It might not seem fair to you, but that is just the way it is.