The Expertise stat has to go...

I do not think that the expertise stat should go, and I do not think that it will. It's not like BW accidently put it in there. Expertise is not some exclusive stat that only a couple people have access to. Anyone can get it.

At the same time, the bonuses that it provides are not nearly as much as people make it out to be. Sure, there is a bonus but its small. I think that those with the stat usually tend to be more experienced at WZ PVP and know how to use their skills to their advantage. Newer people are getting owned by these more experienced players and they don't want to admit that they were beaten fairly. Instead, they take the easy road and blame the gear.

The only reason people are dying fast enough already is because of PvP gear. It has nothing to do with raid tier gear's uber stats because nobody is rolling around with a full set of T4 rolling WZs. PvP gear would already be the easiest uber gear to obtain without the expertise stat.

They could make give you a fresh new set of PvP gear that was easily attainable every 10 levels, and then create brackets every 10 levels and have the same effect. Why? Why bother breaking up the population? At this rate, the best PvP this game will have seen was in the first week of it being up.

Which is WHY expertise is better of on raid gear and not PVP gear and they both should have the same stat, that stops PVEers from getting easy PVP gear and jumping into raids and stops PVEers dominating in PVP with raid gear because PVP gear is easier to get.

Seriously, if a PVEer is dominating you in PVP when PVP gear and PVE gear have the same stats (other that a PVE stat) then you're just a bad PVPer and the new guy deserved to beat you.

Way to read even a small part of the thread there dude.

New players entering level 50 don't find it fun to be grinded by other 50s in PVP gear and I don't find it fun 5 shooting new level 50's in my PVP gear thanks.

^ qft

We grind PVP and rewarded by Expertise gears. Now why do you PVErs whine about not being able to match up to the seasoned PVP players. We let you PVE carebears alone with your raids and raid gears so keep your hands off our Expertise gears.

Your playing a gear based MMO, they earend there expertise (thats only valid in pvp). and honestly the mitigation it provides is minium considering the loss of a extra slot per item. PVE gear is capable of much higher DPS potential in pvp. Champ gear only offers around 11% modifier. You can achieve more with PVE gear, wile it wont be duel role like expertise is it will still achieve a greater modifier in one role or the other.

People need to stop crying, PvE gear still does good in PvP. I've switched out some of my pvp set, becasuse the PvE set bonuses are better, increased my base stat singnificantly which also increases my crit, and I melt face. It's not that big a deal.

Translation, I'm bad and I need my crutch, keep your hands off my crutch!
Please note before you reply, I'm a PVPer in PVP gear.

You're missing the point.

Then you should understand why Expertise must stay. Amongst the PVPers, all of the expertise stats will balance out as we will get the same sets eventually. Why is it that PVErs can raid and get those extra stats yet no one rahrah about them yet people demand to remove our rewards.

And while we're waiting a couple months for lockouts so people can get a full set of T4 to dominate players without expertise, what has happened meanwhile? 2 weeks in and people already got the gear that supposedly was designed to counter PvE gear that people don't even have.

Now the imbalance this gear created was enough to warrant creating an entirely new bracket... seems like that bandaid really worked out. If they would have put in a raid only stat used for PvE progression instead then the difference between 49 and 50 wouldn't have been something that required an urgent patch. What is the point of bolstering? Enabling people to play with/against eachother. If that is a good thing, then why would you want to do things that split them up instead?

Gear based PvP is a double-edged sword. If you make the gear take a long time to obtain your veteran PvP population will drive off new players every time. If you make the gear quick and easy to obtain then it makes progression trivial and pointless. Either way you sacrifice competition for the sake of a system that is constantly fighting itself to maintain a sustainable population of people that actually want to PvP instead of do this PvE-style grind for gear crap.