Okay, is this type of behavior normal? [Fighting over who is the main tank]

Okay, so say I didn't taunt to save his butt and he dies, then what?

Like they say, how can you be an effective tank if you're dead?

You should have let him die at least one then the clarity of the situation would have set in. Overall acting up is kinda rare even for pugs from what I have encountered. Some people will get "touchy" in certain situations


I had something somewhat similar in Voss. Was with a random group and we attempted a Heroic. Sage was healing and I was Commando DPS ( I have 2 heals ). Anyways If I saw spike damage or anyone at 30 % I would drop a off-heal. No biggie. After 3/4 through the sage mentioned that he could handle the healing and I should stick to DPS. I said I was just off-healing but I was fine with no having to monitor HP so I let him heal for the rest of the Heroic.

We then attempted another Heroic. At that time we did not know the final boss and pet would spawn right on top of us. So that was wipe #1. Second attempt the tank and melee dps died and it was me and sage kiting / cc boss and pet. Nearly had it. Surprisingly due to the design of the encounter we were having fun despite the wipes. On the final one the melee DPS died within a few seconds ( not moving out ) but three of us could take on the boss and I instinctively did throw off-heals. After the encounter the same sage complimented me on the off-heals. Tbh the longer we partied, it struck me that this sage was a rly good healer who was spot on with the cc as well.

I would generally let the " sensitive" issues slide and let the encounter determine whatever adjustment required.

You should do what you think is the best action. 2nd tank should off tank when he see fit (like when the tank is taking excessive damage or the mobs are on the healer). Sorc DPS / Ops DPS or merc DPS should off heal once in a while if the situation arise. Not doing so just because you are not the 'main' role is just idiotic.

Meh, sounds like you had someone taking things too seriously.

I know on my level 40 Jugg, holding multiple mob's aggro, especially when there are ranged mobs a billion yards apart, I just go for the tough ones and let the DPS handle the regulars. As long as a solid FF kill order is kept, they go down fast enough and I don't have to run around like crazy.

If the healer is struggling, I'll make the assassin off tank (lulz) (because there are always two assasins in every group, because they're way overplayed) (and my healer is always a sorc, because they're overplayed, too).

To be honest, it sounds like your group wasn't at all optimal and no one really knew how to pull correctly.


For one, you should never have a time where you have more than 3 mobs attacking you. Even if the mobs are in a group of 5, the 'Sin/Shadow can mez 1 and the healer can mez another. All healers have access to a rather long-duration CC.

And if there's only 3 mobs, there should be no problem with the 'Sin/Shadow holding hate and surviving. He may not have understood the mechanics behind the Shield-tanking (which wouldn't be surprising, since he couldn't have gotten his Kinetic Barrier skill until 20... and if he wasn't 20 long, he wasn't used to it).

Also, your healer not being healer spec'd didn't help.


You were right to help him out, however. Having a peeved group member is better than having a party wipe. If he got angry, it was because his pride was hurt because he perceived he "failed" at tanking.

Yea, the assassin get access to the 1 min out of combat CC on non droid enemy which doesn't draw aggro at lv 20 (Mind Trap). If he is any good, he should CC 1 and then draw aggro and let the Sorc to CC another mobs. That way, a group of 5 mobs will be lessen to 3 mobs.

An assassin tank partnering with operative healer is very good. Both can stealth and skip content using the 2 CC which doesn't break stealth and doesn't draw aggro. The only problem is long range stealth detecting enemy.

OP you are right , problem is most people never heard of off tanking . there are many strategies to overcome the killing of a group of mobs . tank them all and hit the floor\stress the healers , control the max of them and then kill 1 by 1 , main tank get some and hold them off tank peals some and group burns the off tank mobs down first .

you dont need to have all the mobs of you to be a " good tank " , you just need to find the right strategic to the given problem taking in consideration the group ( the tools ) you have .

specially in this game where the same class can preform diferent roles .

you sir are a idiot! lol this is not wow now quit bring wow party ideas to the table here, it wont work being a tanking hog

I guess I have to wonder why there's be two tanks in a four-man. That'd put some pressure on whoever's acting as tank (and the healer, too).

And I wasn't there, so I can't really say much with only one side of the story, but it does normally make the tank's job harder if you pull things off him.

If he wasn't dying, he may have been holding cooldowns back for when things got really hairy. It doesn't sound from your description like he was actually dying, just that you were afraid he would. In that case, I think I would have stopped taunting.

In raid environment there can only be 1 Maintank, a big mistake many MMO´s are doing. If you join a guild someday and start raiding you will have many situations like these.

3-4 tanks that all want to be the maintank, if you tank in an MMO then not because you want to offtank - no you want to get hit by "big fat Aliens, Dragons etc" If you dont go on "ego mode" there, you will never tank these things

There are 2 things people do fight about in raids. 1. Raid spots in general and 2. Maintank and Mainhealer. Two roles with a lot responsibility, but since there is only 1 spot for both of them in every raid, its always a fight about these.

At a 4men heroic tho it does not matter who does what, so he might was a bit overreacting - but unfortunately will this happen more often, especially if you raid.