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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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Tautolitarian
01.09.2012 , 10:41 PM | #931
If you want bread, order bread! If you want hamburger meat, order hamburger meat!

You filthy casuals trying to have it both ways are ruining the game!

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Muckbeast
01.09.2012 , 11:40 PM | #932
More than any other fix, piece of content, I would desperately want dual spec.

It is by far my #1 most desired feature.

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MajikMyst
01.10.2012 , 12:01 AM | #933
Quote: Originally Posted by Muckbeast View Post
More than any other fix, piece of content, I would desperately want dual spec.

It is by far my #1 most desired feature.
Why? Give us all a viable reason??

Reasons not to have it.. All healing classes being asked or demanded to have a healing spec, despite player not wanting to heal in the first place.. This happened constantly in WOW.. Anyone with a tank or healing class were forced to spec that way if they wanted to raid.. It was always nice to be a rogue or a warlock..

This game has no need for dual spec.. There is no reason to dual spec at all.. There is no PVP spec.. The game was designed with the intent that people PVPed in their PVE specs.. Which is why all skill sets are viable.. Tanks and healers can actually kills stuff in PVE and PVP.. We also have companions Which everyone seems to forget about..

People need to learn to use companions.. They can tank, heal, and DPS with the best of them as long as their gear is current.. Again there is no need for dual specs..

If you don't want to heal then don't.. If you do then do.. If you want to change every once in a while then see the guy at the capital cities.. He can reset your talents for a fee.. There is nothing wrong with this system.. It worked great in WOW over the first 6 years of so.. Dual speccing in many ways started the decline.. Because people weren't really good at playing one class or one spec.. They were so so at playing multiple specs.. Viable pugs became a rare thing.. Now hardly anyone knows how to play their toons..

While I don't suspect gear will be much of an issue as there really isn't much in the way of healing gear and tank gear.. Bioware geared classes instead of specs.. So each class in a way has their own gear type..

Bottom line is there is no reason to dual spec in this game.. People can already reset their talents when ever they want.. It can get spendy if are changing specs like a baby going through diapers.. There is a supposed to be a sense of realism in this game if you will.. Nobody should be able to just do it all with the press of the button..

In the end.. Dual speccing will add to the already sense of laziness that many gamers have.. They want to sit back and watch the game play itself.. They want super gear that can do it all and kill everything.. They don't want to wait.. They don't want to earn it.. They want it handed to them..

It will have no impact on anyone in this game to leave the current speccing system as is.. We have pleanty of tanks and healers.. Groups are going nicely. Heck.. I was in a group that was all DPS.. Companions tanked and healed.. It was awsome!! This was a flashpoint by the way.. Again just make sure they are geared like you are..

So here it is people.. One more post to add to the thousands that are never read that explain why we should not have dual speccing..

There no viable reason for dual speccing in this game.. Not in the way it was designed.. There is no class that is handicapped for leveling as either tank or heals.. Companions also help with that..
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SlickDevlan
01.10.2012 , 12:05 AM | #934
Quote: Originally Posted by Kashaan View Post
Apparently you're not aware of what a straw-man argument is. Too bad.


Fact: There is no valid, objective argument against Dual spec.
So you prattle about strawman arguments but automatically decry any argument you don't agree with as subjective?

Classic...

P.S. Dual specs are contrary to the entire point of specs. There is no point in having them if you can be everything at at any given time.

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MajikMyst
01.10.2012 , 12:08 AM | #935
Quote: Originally Posted by SlickDevlan View Post
So you prattle about strawman arguments but automatically decry any argument you don't agree with as subjective?

Classic...

P.S. Dual specs are contrary to the entire point of specs. There is no point in having them if you can be everything at at any given time.
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No point in having a spec if you can be any spec at any time.. Classic!!
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Leilei
01.10.2012 , 12:11 AM | #936
Imo they should fix the respec costs...

its been around...5 days since I last respecced. That time, my respec cost was soewhere around 40k.

I check today how much it costs to see if it dropped at all and guess what? Its 66k to respec.

-.-

I just wanna try the other specs to see which I enjoy most!

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Kashaan
01.10.2012 , 12:15 AM | #937
Quote: Originally Posted by SlickDevlan View Post
So you prattle about strawman arguments but automatically decry any argument you don't agree with as subjective?

Classic...

P.S. Dual specs are contrary to the entire point of specs. There is no point in having them if you can be everything at at any given time.

No, I decry subjective arguments as subjective. And subjective arguments are not a valid reason to deny a dual spec to people that want it.


Dual specs are not contrary to the point of specs. The point of specs is to allow people to play their character with different playstyles: PvE tank, PvE healer, PvE DPS, PvP tank, PvP healer, PvP DPS, etc.

Dual spec allows you to "favorite" two specific specs that you want to use the most. You still have to respec for any other spec you want to switch to.

If respecing is in a game (and it is in TOR), there is no reason to deny dual spec. There is no objective reason, and any subjective reasoning traces back to being able to respec at all, nothing with dual spec.
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Moricthian
01.10.2012 , 01:19 AM | #938
Quote: Originally Posted by invispoet View Post
Not really. You do realize the majority of level 50 activities take place on ONE planet, and the fleeet, right? travel is not an issue.

I'm not arguing for convience just for the sake of convenience. I'm asking for a feature that has become a staple of current MMORPGS, that creates a VERY noticable increase in the playability of ALL aspects of group play. If you dont want to use it for some insane reason, you dont have to, but including it causes no inconvenience to you or anyone else that is against it.

Which goes back to my post about self entitlement. I'm asking for something that would let ME (and let's be realistic, at least 90% of the playerbase) enjoy the game more, and not affect YOUR gameplay at all. You're asking for something that will, for NO logical reason, restrict everyone's gameplay, waste people's time needlessly (you know, the 15 other people that are waiting for you to respec, get your keybinds reset and such), and generally cause absolutely NO good.
This. If you don't want duel spec, don't use it. Don't whine against a useful feature a lot of people will like because you have an elitist CHOICES AND OPTOINSA R BADD!!!111!!!1 attitude.

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Varghjerta
01.10.2012 , 01:39 AM | #939
Quote: Originally Posted by Kashaan View Post
No, I decry subjective arguments as subjective. And subjective arguments are not a valid reason to deny a dual spec to people that want it.


Dual specs are not contrary to the point of specs. The point of specs is to allow people to play their character with different playstyles: PvE tank, PvE healer, PvE DPS, PvP tank, PvP healer, PvP DPS, etc.

Dual spec allows you to "favorite" two specific specs that you want to use the most. You still have to respec for any other spec you want to switch to.

If respecing is in a game (and it is in TOR), there is no reason to deny dual spec. There is no objective reason, and any subjective reasoning traces back to being able to respec at all, nothing with dual spec.
So same can be said about teleportation then aswell thanks to emergency fleet pass it is already in the game so there is no reason not being able to teleport wherever you want for free?

But the real question is if people could save the hotbar and abilities but still pay the same amount of money would that be acceptable or do people feel entitled having 2 speccs for free in the game because only one game have it wow ,
But Wow have pink fluffy unicorn aswell so the should Swtor have that aswell?
(Lol i mean some people are even complaining that mounts and abilities cost money in this game)

Pro for dual specc : Convinience, Cost less credits..........

But i am amazed most of the pro dual specc cant admit that they do not want to spend money for convinience


Just because i can eat hamburgers in a restaurant i dont go and demand that it should look and taste exactly as Mcdonals either

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nevid
01.10.2012 , 01:39 AM | #940
Here is an objective argument against dual spec.

There are 8 classes (4 really)
Each class has 2 advanced classes
Each advanced class essentially has 2 general specs

No one argues that you should be able to "dual class" or "dual advance class". You're looking at respecs as if their purpose is to allow characters to change their playstyle on a whim. I see respecs as a way to try and tailor your character exactly to your playstyle. Sometimes you get it wrong, and you have to respec to correct.

Re-specs are not so that you pick the two mainstream, cookie cutter specs, and have both available at all times.

You act as if YOU are the one advocating more choice, but you're actually reducing choice, because you're basically asking that people don't have to make a choice.

Also, as stated before, easy respeccing leads to people never really learning to play their character. You can't look at WoW and say that hasn't happened.