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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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hulduet
01.09.2012 , 04:18 PM | #871
It's a problem with mob scaling, not classes. They clearly dropped the ball on balancing certain mobs at 30-40+. You're not suppose to respec just to defeat a monster. Just make yourself heard and it'll be fixed eventually.

Has nothing to do with your class/spec, it's the mobs that are the problem here.
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Sodalazer
01.09.2012 , 04:20 PM | #872
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I explained that in a number of posts.. Just not the one you quoted.. Please see the last few pages...

See no reason you should have heal or not heal.. But it is your choice.. I see no reason why people can't just PVP in the roles they chose for PVE?? Again, this is an issue of choice.. Why should a feature be added to allow you to be a combet medic one moment, and then a sniper the next?? You chose your path.. Why shouldn't you be forced to live it??

There is no reason that you can't DPS in your healing spec either.. Again.. People really need to learn to play the game..

Dual speccing hurts the game in general.. Anyone has to look no further than WOW to see what dual speccing has done..

Dual speccing decreases the skill level of the community at large.. It is why pugs for the most part a bad idea in WOW.. Even worse when their cross server LFG system was added..

Other than laziness.. There is simply no need for dual speccing in this game.. We have companions that can full multiple roles.. Your character is viable in any situation as any spec.. Just because you are spec heals.. Doesn't mean you have to heal.. You have lost of dps skills as well.. I was unaware that a trooper healer put away his gun when he became a healer..
if someone came into my group as "dps" with a heal spec, i would shove my foot up their *** and kick em the hell out.

i would much rather have a competent dps then people having to run hybrid specs because they are so broke they cant even respec.

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HoneyBoy
01.09.2012 , 04:21 PM | #873
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I explained that in a number of posts.. Just not the one you quoted.. Please see the last few pages...

See no reason you should have heal or not heal.. But it is your choice.. I see no reason why people can't just PVP in the roles they chose for PVE?? Again, this is an issue of choice.. Why should a feature be added to allow you to be a combet medic one moment, and then a sniper the next?? You chose your path.. Why shouldn't you be forced to live it??

There is no reason that you can't DPS in your healing spec either.. Again.. People really need to learn to play the game..

Dual speccing hurts the game in general.. Anyone has to look no further than WOW to see what dual speccing has done..

Dual speccing decreases the skill level of the community at large.. It is why pugs for the most part a bad idea in WOW.. Even worse when their cross server LFG system was added..

Other than laziness.. There is simply no need for dual speccing in this game.. We have companions that can full multiple roles.. Your character is viable in any situation as any spec.. Just because you are spec heals.. Doesn't mean you have to heal.. You have lost of dps skills as well.. I was unaware that a trooper healer put away his gun when he became a healer..
I put the baseless accusations and embellishments in bold underline and italics.

To address everything else:

Companions are not viable substitutes for hard mode flashpoints.
If I'm a Sith Sorceror but not specced healing, there's no way I'm anything but a handicap to my group if I'm playing the healer role in a hard mode flashpoint, but hey if you're ever going to run hard mode Black Talon I'll be happy to heal for your group in my DPS spec
Please think outside of your single player/class storyline mindset.

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HoneyBoy
01.09.2012 , 04:23 PM | #874
Quote: Originally Posted by hulduet View Post
It's a problem with mob scaling, not classes. They clearly dropped the ball on balancing certain mobs at 30-40+. You're not suppose to respec just to defeat a monster. Just make yourself heard and it'll be fixed eventually.

Has nothing to do with your class/spec, it's the mobs that are the problem here.
This isn't a question about this games difficulty or a specs viability.

It's about a group of people who want more freedom in their choices on how to play this game and what roles they want to fill in a group setting, and another group of people who are staunchly against that for personal reasons.

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DaxRendar
01.09.2012 , 04:26 PM | #875
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
There is no reason that you can't DPS in your healing spec either.. Again.. People really need to learn to play the game..
And we'll see just how many Operations Groups want you with them when you DPS in a Healing Spec

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HoneyBoy
01.09.2012 , 04:30 PM | #876
Quote: Originally Posted by DaxRendar View Post
And we'll see just how many Operations Groups want you with them when you DPS in a Healing Spec
It's obvious MajikMyst speaks from the mindset of questing and solo play, which makes it even more mind boggling why they would care what other people do with their specs.

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MajikMyst
01.09.2012 , 04:31 PM | #877
Quote: Originally Posted by HoneyBoy View Post
I have browsed through this thread and this is the majority of what I see from the anti-dual spec crowd. More hyperbole, strawman, and fallacies.

Care to explain how me having dual spec harms your personal enjoyment of the game other than your need to dictate how I play?
How about we not talk about anyone's personal game play and you explain to us how dual speccing well have no effect on the game play at large??

Look at the big picture here..

Can you even give a logical and viable reason to have dual speccing??

Take any character and their companion and name a single situation where dual speccing is required..

What I see from the dual speccing crowed is hyperbole, strawman, and fallacies..

Dual speccing deminishes the quality of the game and the players playing the game.. That effects all of us..

WOW is a perfect case study in the effects of dual speccing.. WOW has been nerfed countless times because people in general lacked the skills needed to succeed.. People complained the raids were to hard.. They weren't hard.. People never learned what 'Don't stand in fire!!' means.. So they would stand there and die.. Nobody knew how to work as a team.. Nobody knew how to play their own characters.. Dual speccing lead to all this.

People could no longer specialize in the specs they like the most.. They had to have 2 specs to learn.. The loot issue.. Everyone rolling for off specs.. It is bad enough we have peeps rolling for companions.. All troopers will be looked up as tanks.. All Sages will be looked upon as healers.. People will be asked to change specs to ones they don't want to play to complete a group because the raid leader is to lazy to get the right person.. Or it is easier to get DPS..

There are a ton of things that dual speccing changes.. None of which are fallacies or hyperbol.. There are no strawman arguements here..

What is here is your desire to pit your wants against a single person and not the entire game.. Since when was what you wanted more important than all of us??
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hata
01.09.2012 , 04:33 PM | #878
I see a lot of people not wanting this because people do not want a person to be a tank/healer/dps or saying it would break the game because there are only 4 classes. I feel that a lot of people are forgetting the basic mechanic of the game. You can not unpick your advanced class and they will not change that.

Duel specing would only allow people to be dps/tank or dps/heal. Unless there is something i missed no class would be able to be a trinity on their own.

I like duel spec because i like to pve and pve regularly and its nice to have independent builds.

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HoneyBoy
01.09.2012 , 04:34 PM | #879
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
How about we not talk about anyone's personal game play and you explain to us how dual speccing well have no effect on the game play at large??

Look at the big picture here..

Can you even give a logical and viable reason to have dual speccing??

Take any character and their companion and name a single situation where dual speccing is required..

What I see from the dual speccing crowed is hyperbole, strawman, and fallacies..

Dual speccing deminishes the quality of the game and the players playing the game.. That effects all of us..

WOW is a perfect case study in the effects of dual speccing.. WOW has been nerfed countless times because people in general lacked the skills needed to succeed.. People complained the raids were to hard.. They weren't hard.. People never learned what 'Don't stand in fire!!' means.. So they would stand there and die.. Nobody knew how to work as a team.. Nobody knew how to play their own characters.. Dual speccing lead to all this.

People could no longer specialize in the specs they like the most.. They had to have 2 specs to learn.. The loot issue.. Everyone rolling for off specs.. It is bad enough we have peeps rolling for companions.. All troopers will be looked up as tanks.. All Sages will be looked upon as healers.. People will be asked to change specs to ones they don't want to play to complete a group because the raid leader is to lazy to get the right person.. Or it is easier to get DPS..

There are a ton of things that dual speccing changes.. None of which are fallacies or hyperbol.. There are no strawman arguements here..

What is here is your desire to pit your wants against a single person and not the entire game.. Since when was what you wanted more important than all of us??
You say there is no hyperbole or fallacies in your argument but the very crux of your argument is that dual-speccing led to people being less skilled overall in World of Warcraft. How exactly did you measure that again?

If people aren't up to par with "your idea" of what their personal skill level should be, then that's your personal problem. I don't see how dual speccing has any correlation to people not being able to avoid environmental hazards in World of Warcraft. Or how you even measured the effects of dual-speccing at large (hint: it's impossible) without resulting to your own experiences and making generalizations from there.

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Godsfear
01.09.2012 , 04:35 PM | #880
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
There is no reason that you can't DPS in your healing spec either.. Again.. People really need to learn to play the game..
This is the second dumbest thing I've ever read on a mmo forums next to the other guy who said........................DUUUURRRRR?