Testing actual DPS

With this being said, please explain to me how topping DPS charts make ANYONE in ANY WAY an elite player?

If a raid leader cant tell who is not pulling their weight without a DPS meter then they have no right to be leading raids.

I'm a hardcore theorycrafter and even I can admit that DPS meters ruin games. There's a difference between being carried and being limited to specific specs simply because it does 0.234343 more dps.

Play a game like Final Fantasy 11 and see how real mmo players play without using DPS meters. Most "western" gamers cant cut it in FFXI because they have no idea how to play without their "cookie cutter builds". Let's face it...A large portion of the players in games like WOW, Rift and the likes have no idea how or why they play a spec the way they do. They just follow the cookie cutter build/rotation that they read on the forums that someone else figured out. To me...Those players are being carried by the spec creator.

Every mmo you play you'll see "What's the best spec" asked in general chat every 5 minutes. Its because people...Probably much like yourself...Cant play a class without being told how by someone that is far superior.

And to the person saying Rift is a bad game...Whether you like Rift or not, it is/was a theorycrafter and number crunchers wet dream of an mmo. The unlimited possibilities for specs and rotations made for very interesting theorycrafting. More in depth than any other mmo that's ever been released. I led some of the theorycrafting for Rogues for over 6 months. I spent countless hours perfecting builds and posting full DPS meter stats and skill breakdowns all for the community. Guess what? Most Rogues were forced to use MY SPEC simply because it was by far the best. Sure enough it eventually got nerfed, but the point is...Not everyone that is against DPS meters is a "baddie". Anyone that thinks that DPS meters are good for an mmo is borderline retarded and quite possibly braindead.

Except Rift has the best class system of any MMO out there today. 4 different classes that each have 9 different skill trees. And your build could use 3 different trees. Where up to 51 points can be put into a single tree and you had a total of 66 points to spend. And out of combat you could switch what build you were using to match specific situations.

Rift's class system is better than TORs probably ever will be.

That's the whole reason I brought up Rift. Obviously that tool never even played it.

Rift is a game that was supposed to allow for the ultimate in player creativity with specs and rotations. But it was COMPLETELY ruined by DPS meters.

And before you immediately assume I am a bad...Ask any veteran Rift Rogue about the Sozu spec. I created it, and perfected it to a point where nearly every Rogue on every server had either heard of it, or used it on a regular basis. Why? Because it was proven to be the best spec with DPS meters. So nobody ever ventured off into their own spec creating fantasy world...They all just copy and pasted my spec simply because it did 5.232342 more dps.

That's the whole reason I brought up Rift. Obviously that tool never even played it.

Rift is a game that was supposed to allow for the ultimate in player creativity with specs and rotations. But it was COMPLETELY ruined by DPS meters.

And before you immediately assume I am a bad...Ask any veteran Rift Rogue about the Sozu spec. I created it, and perfected it to a point where nearly every Rogue on every server had either heard of it, or used it on a regular basis. Why? Because it was proven to be the best spec with DPS meters. So nobody ever ventured off into their own spec creating fantasy world...They all just copy and pasted my spec simply because it did 5.232342 more dps.

I've never seen more derp in one post before... ever. You really expect raid leaders to learn every single classes abilities/animations, the proper rotations/priorities for those classes, and then watch the other 7/15 players in the raid while performing their own duties and see who is not performing? Get real.

As to the OP: I think the best way to gauge your dps is time yourself or your raiders during the council fight and see how quickly people can kill their mobs.

I've never seen more derp in one post before... ever. You really expect raid leaders to learn every single classes abilities/animations, the proper rotations/priorities for those classes, and then watch the other 7/15 players in the raid while performing their own duties and see who is not performing? Get real.