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Okay, is this type of behavior normal? [Fighting over who is the main tank]

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Okay, is this type of behavior normal? [Fighting over who is the main tank]

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Majestic_Jazz
01.09.2012 , 01:35 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Kocicak View Post
Assassin can be tanks aswell, if neither of you were specced for tanking he would still make the better tank coz of his higher level. OP, you were wrong.
One point you fail to realize [or ignored] was that despite him being 2 levels above me, he was always 10% away from dying and the ONLY and I repeat the ONLY reason why he never did was because out of 5 enemies, I would eventually draw the aggro of 3 or 4 of them. Had I never taunted, the Assassin would have been dead seconds into the fight, then what use is he?

Second, the funny thing is, even though I was 2 levels below him [I was 18 and he was 20], whenever the mob of 5 would attack me, my health NEVER went below 60% but when the mob of 5 would attack him, he suddenly went down to around 10% or 20% health and then I would need to come in and bail him out.

How do you explain that?
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Sun-Runner
01.09.2012 , 01:37 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Majestic_Jazz View Post
While we are on the subject, is it like this for healers? I plan on playing as a Jedi Sage [Seer] and if I find myself in a group with a 2nd healer [Scoundrel, Sage, or Commando] do people fight over who is the "main" healer? Or is this something that only tanks fight about?
Like every other social animal, humans argue over their place and role within a social structure until the pecking order is established. Gotta have that totem pole so you know who you are better than and who is better than you. This shouldn't be surprising.

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Hypernetic
01.09.2012 , 01:38 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Majestic_Jazz View Post
The funny thing is, I noticed that we would get through mobs quicker whenever I drew most of the aggro because our "healer" spent less time trying to heal me and spent most of his time using his DPS powers which in return, turned mobs into toilet paper....really soft!

It was only when the aggro got focused on this Assassin when the battles tended to be drawn out because essentially, it turned into a group of 2 tanks, 1 healer and 1 DPS which is the opposite of what I said above when I drawed the aggro and it became 2 tanks and 2 DPS with a healer not really needed.

Personally, I am glad I was just the better person and didn't respond when he said his comment about me just tanking over since I want to taunt.

While we are on the subject, is it like this for healers? I plan on playing as a Jedi Sage [Seer] and if I find myself in a group with a 2nd healer [Scoundrel, Sage, or Commando] do people fight over who is the "main" healer? Or is this something that only tanks fight about?

This seems like something you made up in your head. Damage is damage. If one target is taking (just for example) 2k DPS a healer has to heal 2k HPS to counter that damage and keep the tank at an even level of HP.

If you pull half the mobs then the damage is split between two targets. The healer still has to heal just as much as before, but now he also has to switch targets as well.

This is MORE work for the healer, not less.


I also don't see anything wrong with what he said to you. You clearly wanted to tank, so he let you be the tank. It sounds to me like you are just upset for no reason.

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Fraxture
01.09.2012 , 01:40 PM | #24
Ego, plain and simple.
Some people are ruled by their own Egos.

You are lucky he didn't urinate on the targets prior to attacking to show you they were his and his alone.
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Edryk
01.09.2012 , 01:42 PM | #25
Missing information. Was he tank specced? Based on your description of the situation, no, he wasn't. If you were, obviously you will take less damage and he should be dpsing.

If he was tank specced, and you are exaggerating, then yes he should have been tanking and the healer should have had no issue.

He was doing his job by holding the attention of the mobs. But (apparently) not in mitigating damage.

Either way, if you aren't the tank, don't taunt. It is absolutely infuriating as a tank or healer when the dps are taking extra damage because mobs are hitting them. If he wants to tank so bad, let him. When he dies, pick everything up and continue. He'll get tired of repairs eventually, and you will vindicate the healer who can keep you up.

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youwillburn
01.09.2012 , 01:42 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Majestic_Jazz View Post
One point you fail to realize [or ignored] was that despite him being 2 levels above me, he was always 10% away from dying and the ONLY and I repeat the ONLY reason why he never did was because out of 5 enemies, I would eventually draw the aggro of 3 or 4 of them. Had I never taunted, the Assassin would have been dead seconds into the fight, then what use is he?

Second, the funny thing is, even though I was 2 levels below him [I was 18 and he was 20], whenever the mob of 5 would attack me, my health NEVER went below 60% but when the mob of 5 would attack him, he suddenly went down to around 10% or 20% health and then I would need to come in and bail him out.

How do you explain that?
5 heroics mobs attacking you and your health never went below 60%? calling bs

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Nautius
01.09.2012 , 01:47 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Hypernetic View Post
This seems like something you made up in your head. Damage is damage. If one target is taking (just for example) 2k DPS a healer has to heal 2k HPS to counter that damage and keep the tank at an even level of HP.

If you pull half the mobs then the damage is split between two targets. The healer still has to heal just as much as before, but now he also has to switch targets as well.

This is MORE work for the healer, not less.


I also don't see anything wrong with what he said to you. You clearly wanted to tank, so he let you be the tank. It sounds to me like you are just upset for no reason.
Both levels and gear matter. Ergo damage is taken differently.

So, your admonisment of the OP is groundless.

It sounds to me like you don't know w-t-f you are talking about.

And I don't think there is any tank who is worth a flip who would ever gripe about another tank takng aggro when their health gets low. That's just stupid.
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Phaedrynn
01.09.2012 , 01:47 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Majestic_Jazz View Post
A few days ago I formed a group of 4 to run a Heroic on Balmorra [Empire]. Once all 4 people came together, I asked who has any healing abilities and someone answered yes. So that was great because no matter who else we have, as long as we have a healer we should be fine. So because I was a level 18 Juggernaut at the time, I said that I would be the Tank. No less than 10 seconds after that, a level 20 Assassin abruptly said that he should be the Tank. He never explained why, but just took it upon himself to Tank. Maybe because he was a level 20 Assassin and I was a level 18 Juggernaut and he assumed that because he is 2 levels above me, that makes me an inferior tank.

Anways, onto the Heroic, He would start every fight by putting someone in CC and then we all attack the same enemy. He would run around hitting every enemy in the mob trying to draw all of their aggro [minus the one that he has in CC]. So at any given moment, there are like 4 enemies all attacking this person. I saw how his health keeps getting low and how the Healer [who btw wasn't spec'd as a healer but rather as a DPS but had one or two healing ablities] was struggling to keep this guy alive. So considering how I have a taunt, I decided to help this guy out and out of a mob of 4-5 people, I would taunt about 2 of them just to take some of the threat off of him. I mean, technically, I am a tank so I didn't see any wrong in "sharing" with him. He draws about 2 people and I draw about 2 people and because we evened out the threat, our health is always nearly 80% full so the "healer" could use his many DPS attacks on the enemies to get through the mob quicker instead of trying to heal this "superman" Assassin who is always a second or two away from dying before I take some of the threat off of him by taunting. Again, mind you, that our healer was really a Sith Sorceror who was spec'd in the DPS tree, not healing tree, so his healing was VERY minimal so no need to put all the strain on him.

ANYWAYS, about 70% through the Heroic the Assassin mentions in the party chat [he could have just whispered at me] that "Because I want to use taunt, how about I go ahead and tank." I laughed when I heard that and just continued on.

Why would he say something like that? Was this person really upset because I used taunt to HELP HIM out when he was in situations where he was about to be whipped? Again, we really didn't have a true healer so him taking on 5 elites was just stupid, might as well split it up which worked out just fine but apparently, he didn't like that and like a 6 year old kid who is frustrated, he just told me out right that I tank. So for the rest of the heroic, I was drawing 5 guys and the ironic thing was unlike him whos health would constantly drop to around 10% before I bailed him out, my health with 5 guys attacking me NEVER went below 60%

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Sorry for the wall of text but this is my first MMO. I plan on being a Tank with my Juggernaut in end game content and when I play my Jedi Consular, I plan on being a Healer in end game content. I just want to know if this is something that I should expect to see a lot, people fighting over WHO is the main Tank or WHO is the main healer and what not? Personally, it is just a game and if I am reduced to a off Tank or off healer, then I am fine, as long as we as a group whether it be Heroic, Flashpoint, or Operation accomplish our goals. However based on what I previously experienced, people get really up tight about not wanting anyone to do their job and such.

Is this normal?
First, Assassins have a tanking spec, so he very well could have been specced for tanking (I don't know, I wasn't there). Second (and FAR more importantly), splitting a healer's (especially one who isn't actually specced for healing) time, attention, and resource pool is a horrible idea, bordering on a kickable offense. Had it been my group, you would have simply died every time as I used my resource pool to keep the more appropriate tank standing.

There is no (not one bit) of single group content in this game that needs 2 people tanking.

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Nytak
01.09.2012 , 01:47 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Majestic_Jazz View Post
While we are on the subject, is it like this for healers? I plan on playing as a Jedi Sage [Seer] and if I find myself in a group with a 2nd healer [Scoundrel, Sage, or Commando] do people fight over who is the "main" healer? Or is this something that only tanks fight about?
Nah.. that kind of behavior is generally limited to people who play tanks. I'm sure it happens from time to time with other classes, but that kind of epeen swing has a distinct tank arc to it.

You see, Raid tanks spent about 1-2 years being the golden children of a rather popular MMO, and, well.. their ego's have never recovered.
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KennethHoover
01.09.2012 , 01:49 PM | #30
For an MMO it is (sadly) totally normal.
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