The Expertise stat has to go...

The "I spent more time so I should win" mentality would have never flown in Dark Age of Camelot. In fact it didn't. See Trials of Atlantis .

It's all smoke and mirrors to enforce a grind of some sort. Gives people a carrot and something to spend hours farming to get. IE to waste your time and make you pay more money, rather than counting on quality PVP to keep you around. They could have fixed the issue immediately with a proper bolster that had harsher diminishing returns the higher in gear you went.

Thus the baseline expectation for a PVP player would be 100% power. Now lets say someone in tier 1 raid gear is at 120% power, scale them back to 105%. Ditto for tier 2, tier 3, etc. To fix any potential gear imbalance all you then need to do is tweak the variables on diminishing returns at X, Y, or Z levels.

Most retarted carebearish post ever.

I suck in pvp and i never pvp , so i dont wnat anyone else to do it mentality.

Plus without it more of this will happen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP-VnyJ0sJc

People keep talking about resilience in WoW protecting PvP people from raiders and protecting raid content from PvP gear, but there are no BWL raiders rolling people here. If you want to compare it to WoW, imagine if 2 weeks after WoW came out there were people in HWL gear rolling people.

I also haven't heard of any raiders (not like this really seems like a hardcore progression bragging game, but whatever) complaining about how PvP gear is allowing guilds to skip gated PvE content. It's all creating a real problem to counter hypothetical previous-MMO baggage problems.

Compare PvE to PvP gear without expertise:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=143809

The only problem with gear I see is the one we are creating by having a special stat that needs a special bracket for "special" people.

Is it that hard to figure out why a PvP stat is necessary?

If BiS PVP=BiS PVE, anyone can grind their gear in WZ and be fully equipped for any raid, there would be no sense of progression in PvE. People would just chose the eaiser route to the gear. There would be no gear reward for raiding because you can just grind it out.

There would be 0 need in the game for playing with other people in operations because you can get the same gear solo queueing WZ.

So you're saying an added stat is what is making pvpers better than pve carebears in pvp. WOW, if you don't think there's something wrong with what you just said, I don't know what to tell you....

I'm not a huge MMO player, so that may be why, but this makes no sense to me...you are saying everyone can grind out pvp warzones for gear, like they can't grind raids for gear? I would think that pvpers would grind wz for gear while pve'ers would grind raids for gear. Isn't that the most logical thing anyways? don't get it

Im saying if they remove expertise, one can obtain gear for raiding through pvp and that would be unfair to pve people because organizing a raid is a lot harder then queueing for a bg solo, you should be rewarded in your category of the game.

People this is why pvp stats and gear exist. Raiding is mind numbing and if pve and pvp gear were equal nobody would pve. So it is not going to change. Like I keep saying, pve players like the one I quoted will not accept it.

good luck with that, chum.

Most people who raid only do it to get gear not because raiding is fun. Give them alternative ways to get equal gear and most will take it leaving only ten people left raiding.