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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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teddy_bear
01.08.2012 , 09:51 PM | #781
Currently this game has two end game operations, Eternity vault (EV) and Karagga's palace (KP). Both these operations require 8 people, but have different group needs. EV requires 2 healers, a tank and 5 dps, which is simply an expanded version of what most flashpoint's require. However KP needs 6 dps and 2 healers, this is because the trash mobs don't require a tank to kill, and the final and only boss cant be tanked (his mechanics are set that way). And of course not to mention in many cases if you don't bring 6 dps the boss will almost always hit an enrage timer and wipe your group. So as a shield specialist vanguard when doing karagga's palace I have to respec. So because I chose to roll a tank spec, im now forced to incur a respec cost and the in-convince that no other roll HAS to face to complete end-game content.

Although I only read about 50 pages in this debate I find it funny that this didn't show up.

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RAMunch
01.08.2012 , 09:56 PM | #782
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
There are many, the first and most important is that this is an MMORPG. RPG means that you pick 1 role, and not that you can be whatever you want, whenever you want.

The gameplay that you are looking for, should not be offered at an RPG. Your kind of game is BF3, Counter Strike - this you should play instead.

While I agree that the new MMO Generation did not grow up with this, so I still think that the loyal group of games consistīs of those 20+ and not those below 18. The young ones might play an MMO for a few weeks, maybe months but then leave for the next. Wow shows that very well atm.

I definately know, that if TOR does change into another wow that I will not play it for long. The frustration with those "kids" is just too big. They consume games like food, they dont enjoy games - to be the best, to show how good you are and always rude, no thanks if that MMO Generation takes over a game, then many loyal gamers will leave.
I agree...I feel more and more like MMORPGS are like DOTA, LoL, HoN only in 3rd person. My choices matter for about an hour, then i can make new ones. My attitude and social behavior matters for about as long since I'll more than likely never see the people I currently piss off in a group ever again (especially if they do cross server anything). I mean there is actually not much of an incentive to NOT be a ninja looter, or roll on everything, I dont' think i've grouped with teh same person twice ever and everyone whines so much in general chat that no one really believes it even if they say you are a ninja looter.

Other than my name and my AC I can't think of anything in this game (or recent MMOs) I have to live with after I make the decisions...and since the ACs are really 2 classes in one (every one i know of can fill one of two roles depending on spec) I barely have to live with the AC choice, as whichever choice I made really isn't much of a choice since it gives me 2 of the 3 possible roles.

I definitely don't think i'll be playing long. Based on the forums and the little developer feedback we've been given it seems like BW is set on making this WoW with light sabers. I guess on the bright side putting in space goats riding giant mammoths won't seem as out of place in SWTOR as it did in WoW right? I do hold a shred of hope that the devs don't make this just a reskinned WoW.

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BeeblesTV
01.08.2012 , 10:13 PM | #783
Respec resets to zero every week.

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XxchaoxX
01.09.2012 , 02:26 AM | #784
I find the arguments against the dual-spec system to be extremely stupid by saying "don't open it up to the casuals", "no ez mode" so really think about this from a company stand point you eliteists that are crying out against it are the minority do you really think that Bioware/EA owe you anything? Lol you pay them 15$ a month to play their game and you payed 60$ to LEASE their software, yes that is right you don't own anything. Also think about this why you are basically saying is lets not let people enjoy all of the content and have them quit sooner rather than extend the life of the game, by saying no to dual spec you are saying lets not let everyone experience all of the content that we have worked so hard to make. Also without it it makes the game a much less enjoyable experience for you, yes YOU eliteists, imagine you do pvp and enjoy doing such but along comes bobby who is experienced in MMO's but can't afford to spec change to do what he wants so he goes in with his pve talents and does horrible because he was a spec that was not more suited to the task at hand, or even in pve it would be less enjoyable for you if someone comes in and is doing sub par dps or healing or tanking (seeing as you can not see people's specs as it is) and you both lose, is that fun for you? No it is not. So in conclusion yes dual spec will most likely be coming but it is for the best and everyone needs to cool it with the whole WoW2 bs.

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Varghjerta
01.09.2012 , 02:45 AM | #785
Quote: Originally Posted by XxchaoxX View Post
I find the arguments against the dual-spec system to be extremely stupid by saying "don't open it up to the casuals", "no ez mode" so really think about this from a company stand point you eliteists that are crying out against it are the minority do you really think that Bioware/EA owe you anything? Lol you pay them 15$ a month to play their game and you payed 60$ to LEASE their software, yes that is right you don't own anything. Also think about this why you are basically saying is lets not let people enjoy all of the content and have them quit sooner rather than extend the life of the game, by saying no to dual spec you are saying lets not let everyone experience all of the content that we have worked so hard to make. Also without it it makes the game a much less enjoyable experience for you, yes YOU eliteists, imagine you do pvp and enjoy doing such but along comes bobby who is experienced in MMO's but can't afford to spec change to do what he wants so he goes in with his pve talents and does horrible because he was a spec that was not more suited to the task at hand, or even in pve it would be less enjoyable for you if someone comes in and is doing sub par dps or healing or tanking (seeing as you can not see people's specs as it is) and you both lose, is that fun for you? No it is not. So in conclusion yes dual spec will most likely be coming but it is for the best and everyone needs to cool it with the whole WoW2 bs.
And how would dual specc prevent that people can show up in less prefered specc?

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XxchaoxX
01.09.2012 , 02:52 AM | #786
I never said it would "prevent" it, but it would just make it less likely to happen by giving the people who can not afford to do the respec a different route to take, but I also do not think that it should be available at low levels, it should be available at lv 30 and for a reasonable cost to the level (seeing as people are saving for their mount training at lv40 this would give somewhat of a nice choice to the player on what they feel is more important)

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Varghjerta
01.09.2012 , 03:06 AM | #787
Quote: Originally Posted by XxchaoxX View Post
I never said it would "prevent" it, but it would just make it less likely to happen by giving the people who can not afford to do the respec a different route to take, but I also do not think that it should be available at low levels, it should be available at lv 30 and for a reasonable cost to the level (seeing as people are saving for their mount training at lv40 this would give somewhat of a nice choice to the player on what they feel is more important)
Actually probably the reason why that person cant afford the respecc cost is that the person have respecced too much in a week.

And you do know that the price gets reduced/ nullified after a week?

So the people that cant afford the respecc cost can redo theire talents for free after one week.


And at lv 30 price range that means you will basicly want it to be for free, if players really want dual specc in this game i would say somewhere around 50-100 mil credits would with the going Credit rate and only avaible at lv 50

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XxchaoxX
01.09.2012 , 03:16 AM | #788
I'm not saying that I want it to be free, 50-100mil credits is rediculous to charge for it and to limit it to lv 50 pretty much means gateing the content of pvp to that level unless you are solely dedicated to pvp throughout leveling many of the classes that 3 trees one dps, one tank/heal, and one pvp, why not allow people to play the way that they want, you guy don't want dual spec then don't use it, let the people who do want to use it use it and let bygones be bygones.

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Carnerous
01.09.2012 , 03:18 AM | #789
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
There are many, the first and most important is that this is an MMORPG. RPG means that you pick 1 role, and not that you can be whatever you want, whenever you want.

The gameplay that you are looking for, should not be offered at an RPG. Your kind of game is BF3, Counter Strike - this you should play instead.

While I agree that the new MMO Generation did not grow up with this, so I still think that the loyal group of games consistīs of those 20+ and not those below 18. The young ones might play an MMO for a few weeks, maybe months but then leave for the next. Wow shows that very well atm.

I definately know, that if TOR does change into another wow that I will not play it for long. The frustration with those "kids" is just too big. They consume games like food, they dont enjoy games - to be the best, to show how good you are and always rude, no thanks if that MMO Generation takes over a game, then many loyal gamers will leave.
What makes you so important to to measure what a rpg is and what?
and lol@ everyone who want dualspec is under 18.

this old eq-guard and their *tedious=challenging* mindset needs to die already

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Durio
01.09.2012 , 03:29 AM | #790
Quote: Originally Posted by RAMunch View Post
I'm confused here.

If feelings aren't valid arguements, then the fact that you feel like you need dual spec is invalid right?

It is a fact you do NOT need it.
You have children, you should know that not needing something still doesn't make bragging kids not wanting it. On the contrary, if I know I can get it then I'll cry for it till I have it (which I'll do on the forums here as I promised in beta)