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Why won't 1.1 have dungeon finder?

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Why won't 1.1 have dungeon finder?

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gurugeorge
01.09.2012 , 03:02 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by rhunxoxo View Post
I don't even want a Dungeon Finder and I used to be very pro this. I love the fact I've been bumping into the same guys in my dungeons since black talon. Creates a very nice community feel that adds to the game in my opninion.
Exactly. An LFD tool is "short-term good/long-term bad". It's a convenience, sure, but in the long run building a community by people communicating, using the LFG tool that exists, polite tells, etc., is much better.

What is needed in the existing LFG tool is a flag for "not interested in teaming". Ergonomically, it's more likely that people who definitely don't want to be bothered by private tells will make the effort to flag "not looking for group" than people who may or may not be interested in teaming at that time, or who might not have thought about it (and who therefore might be open to persuasion by polite private tells) are likely to flag "LFG" every time they log on. So:-

1) allow "LFG" to stay on between logins, and

2) have a "Not LFG" flag.

Those are two things that would immediately raise the utility of the existing tool.

If BW want to promote teaming, they need to look at how City of Heroes did it. That was a casual game, but unusually for casual games it was also a very social game, PUG-ing was made extremely easy, and the game developed a great PUG-ing culture with a very lively community spirit.

The cause of that was some subtle synergies in the way CoX was set up (and ironically they were probably accidental, since Cryptic totally botched the social thing with CO), but one of the main things was the LFG interface. There were simple icons for classes, several varieties of LFG icon (lf any, lf raids, etc.), and one's "lf" icon stayed whatever it was between logins. Also the default flag was neither "LFG" nor "not LFG", but neutral.

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Truga
01.09.2012 , 03:05 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Brodsk View Post
Don't use it.
And never get a group again because 90% of the people use it. I've said it a million times before, and I'll say it a million times more: just because something is "optional" doesn't mean it's not mandatory.

This argument comes up time and time again here, in the add-ons department and in the dual-spec department. Guess what, once these things are in, you either use it, or you get left out.

You have just as much right on forcing these features on me, as I have the right of removing these features from you.
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Brodsk
01.09.2012 , 03:08 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu View Post
Have you tried getting people for a 5 man heroic group, get them to move their characters to the instance and hearthstoning/running back at the end?
Please try, I would love to see people's reaction.
That's because it sucks and nobody enjoys it. Forcing it doesn't make it fun, doesn't build any community, it's just a drag.
Maybe you enjoy all that, and you want no LFD tool so the game forces other players to play the game the way you enjoy it. That's just egoistical and sick.

If the existence of a LFD makes it almost impossible to make a group the harder way, it's because that's how the majority of people enjoy playing the game. I'm sorry, you are a minority.

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Brodsk
01.09.2012 , 03:12 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Truga View Post
And never get a group again because 90% of the people use it. I've said it a million times before, and I'll say it a million times more: just because something is "optional" doesn't mean it's not mandatory.

This argument comes up time and time again here, in the add-ons department and in the dual-spec department. Guess what, once these things are in, you either use it, or you get left out.

You have just as much right on forcing these features on me, as I have the right of removing these features from you.
Which means 90% of the people now are not playing the game the way they want it. You are grouping with people that simply hate to find a group that way. The fact they would use the LFD tool exclusively if availble, only shows you that.
You are 10% of egoistical people that want no LFD tool to force the 90% to make your idea of a "perfect community" real.
You are just fooling yourselves.

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Senatsu
01.09.2012 , 03:14 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Brodsk View Post
That's because it sucks and nobody enjoys it. Forcing it doesn't make it fun, doesn't build any community, it's just a drag.
Maybe you enjoy all that, and you want no LFD tool so the game forces other players to play the game the way you enjoy it. That's just egoistical and sick.

If the existence of a LFD makes it almost impossible to make a group the harder way, it's because that's how the majority of people enjoy playing the game. I'm sorry, you are a minority.
Your optional grouping feature, automatically becomes mandatory because of the greater part of the community requires you to use it to do anything or get anywhere.

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OxTox
01.09.2012 , 03:16 AM | #76
I do not hate nor love the LFD system, it makes the game faster, WoW is big.. Let's be honest getting to level 85 without that system is a pain, but what LFD did do for me is kill the whole guild experience.

When I did most of my PVE it was when the LFD system wasn't announced so I usually ran with guildies trough heroics everytime I played and usually the same people, it was more fun and faster then doing heroics trough pugging LFD.

But LFD had compensation tokens, munneh and random bags with gear etc, and later on in Cataclysm I even had gotten Rare Mounts from the backpacks if you are wanted, I was a tank so I always had that kind of loot.

I really don't want to see LFD in SWTOR (it's singplayer oriented enough.), but what does make things easier is some kind of summoning stone for flashpoints and heroics.

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raidyr
01.09.2012 , 03:16 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Truga View Post
And never get a group again because 90% of the people use it. I've said it a million times before, and I'll say it a million times more: just because something is "optional" doesn't mean it's not mandatory.

This argument comes up time and time again here, in the add-ons department and in the dual-spec department. Guess what, once these things are in, you either use it, or you get left out.

You have just as much right on forcing these features on me, as I have the right of removing these features from you.
If 90% of people use a feature than that makes it a good feature. And yes, that is the definition of the word optional: not mandatory. You don't have to use it. I know tons of people in WoW who don't use the dungeon finder and instead do the traditional trade chat recruiting. Your pool will be decidedly smaller because people prefer safer, more secure groups where the players are held accountable for their actions and speech, but you still have that option. Without a LFG tool however the only recourse is traditional chat spamming which helps the "community" in ways that no one has seemingly been capable of explaining.

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Truga
01.09.2012 , 03:18 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Brodsk View Post
Which means 90% of the people now are not playing the game the way they want it. You are grouping with people that simply hate to find a group that way. The fact they would use the LFD tool exclusively if availble, only shows you that.
You are 10% of egoistical people that want no LFD tool to force the 90% to make your idea of a "perfect community" real.
You are just fooling yourselves.
Yes, indeed. I have a number I pulled out of my ***, and you actually went on it.

Let me just say that such a thing would split the community further (users, and not users), which is the last thing we need right now. They're already split into small servers, and already split into two factions, and now you want to split them again? Yeah, I can already see that being a good idea...
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raidyr
01.09.2012 , 03:20 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Truga View Post
Yes, indeed. I have a number I pulled out of my ***, and you actually went on it.

Let me just say that such a thing would split the community further (users, and not users), which is the last thing we need right now. They're already split into small servers, and already split into two factions, and now you want to split them again? Yeah, I can already see that being a good idea...
A cross server LFG tool would allow people from low-pop servers to get groups done far faster than spamming general chat on in dead zones. Also any split would be relatively minor; the vast majority of people would use the LFG tool because it's simply better than finding groups in almost all ways. This cannot be argued.

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Truga
01.09.2012 , 03:21 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by raidyr View Post
Also any split would be relatively minor; the vast majority of people would use the LFG tool
You base this opinion on what exactly? WoW? Last time I checked, this isn't WoW, you have no idea what effect it would have in this game.
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