Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

Dual spec would eventually affect me through design of the game around the idea that it's a tool that exists.

So then you agree a progression bonus for people who stick to the same spec is a good idea?

Ah, but if the "minute to minute" is consistently frustrating or unpleasant...

There will be no year to year

It decreases my chance of getting in a group, i play MMOs for the group aspect not the solo aspect.

So we all I think can agree that Tanks and Healers combined are outnumbered by DPS specs.

So lets assume a current spec distribution of:

50 healers
150 dpsers
50 tanks

Assuming 4 man groups of tank, 2 dps, 1 healer you have enough to make 50 groups with 50dps being left out in the cold.
So if i'm a healer, assuming everyone is grouping I have a 100% chance at a group.

Now if just ONE of those dps wants to respec to healing spec to take away from my 100% chance (cause it only take 1 and my chance drops below 100% and there by impacting me) he has to currently pay for it. I am okay with this because I know he devoted the time to farm up the credits and he paid something to take away from my enjoyment. Now the dps group has a higher percentage of getting in a group because there is 1 less than them. If our "flip-flopper" wants to go back to the dps group and lower their % chance of getting picked up in a group then again he has to pay for it. The fact that he is paying everytime he has a negative impact on someone at least somewhat justifies it, as i'm not crazy enough to think they will take out respecing. But respeccing alone impacts my agameplay.

In the dual spec scenario assume same distribution, also assume that I am not using the Dual Spec (as that seems to be everyone that is for dual spec's advice to me since I don't like it). Now every time one of the dps changes to a healer they get to do it for free and it impacts me by impacting my ability to get a group. The difference is, in dual spec they get to have a negative impact on my gameplay with no negative impact on their own (no cost since they can just change specs freely)


As someone else said, the whole point of dual spec is to make up for the fact that there aren't enough tanks and healers in the game. Since I usually play tanks and Healers getting a group is easy since my role is a commodity, so the ability for someone to not make me a commodity directly impacts my % chance to get a group, which directly impacts my gameplay. This is pure numbers, no feelings or opinions.

This is basic statistics here, the fact that someone can fill in a role I fill for free and there is a finite number of group spots means I HAVE TO BE IMPACTED by the other persons class change.

The fact that they can impact me for free is what I have the biggest problem with. Again I feel the current system gives them the ability to play how they want, and they have to pay when it has a negative impact on those of us that choose to stick with our decisions.

Now i'm only talking about PvE. To me this is a PvE game with PvP bolted onto it as a time killer.

If someone wants dual specs for PvE/PvP specs I think that is a different discussion as it could be implemented to force that. E.G. have two specs, when entering the warzone it forces 1 spec, when outside a warzone it forces another. This now no longer affects anyone's ability to get a group, and they can play each half of this game as they want.

[/quote]

I think that's a great idea - those kind of incentives would encourage players to become better with their characters, and encourage designers to create content that is balanced and challenging for everyone.

Actually Dual specc ruins youre jack of all trades thanks to it creates so you can be a master on more then none :P

I didn't say it was a good idea, I said I didn't care. Although I would point out that assumes that legacy levels do not grant in game stat or skill advantages.

Your very selective with the posts your answering to.

Care to reply to this post?

Yep, and that's a good point rarely cited here - the group size compounds the problem a bit which would suggest more flexibility in character spec'ing.

I'm not saying that respeccing/dual spec is the equivalent of Hitler.
I was just trying to tell HoneyBoy that he needed to try harder than throw "things change" at me as if it was a valid argument. :-)

Change is not always good is all i'm saying, so give up on the stance that the genre/game/times/industry/people/etc change.

Also give up on stances like "it's always been done that way" in referring to WoW/Rift having it. Again just because something has always been done that way doesn't make it right.

My allusions were to show the absurdity of the statement that "the industry/genre" changes as being a valid argument even worth typing.

Sooo flexibility in character spec'ing.... i.e. dualspec....... thanks

I Support dual spec all the way, it really is a compromise, its really hard for me to farm and do stuff, some mobs hit too hard and i have to bring healing companion, the other day i got into combat against 2 silver mods on Ilum, they were both healing each other, and i had healing companion out, i had to force push them apart, do "tricks" working with cooldowns used carbonized stream, pretty much everything in the arsenal to take them down and it was not pretty, the fight lasted about 5 minutes or more.

The only thing i have now is that usually if i have to do quests in Ilum i team up with someone else but this really have diminished my "solo abilitys", so if they dont implement it soon, i may be switching to full Juggernaut DPS then.

Understand this is really needed for Healers and tanks.