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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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Lethality
01.08.2012 , 03:51 PM | #701
Quote: Originally Posted by HoneyBoy View Post
The problem with your argument is two fold.

On the issue of the way Bioware wants us to play the game, THEY ALREADY ALLOW US TO CHANGE SPECS. We are simply asking for more convenience in doing so.
And the problem with the path we're on is, once they give you that convenience, you'll ask for still more. Maybe a 3rd spec. You know it's true. It's best to avoid that whole hornet's nest.



Quote: Originally Posted by HoneyBoy View Post
xszaAs for doing PvP and PvE in one spec, yeah you sure could. I myself am not much of a serious PvP'er but I understand some people prefer the most optimal spec possible for when they PvP. What's wrong with that?
Wouldn't you rather make sure the developers made sure all specs are viable everywhere?
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Mortreti
01.08.2012 , 03:53 PM | #702
Quote: Originally Posted by Ruan View Post
Dual spec is necssary.

Just remember next time you are spamming general chat for an hour for a tank/healer for your flashpoint, there's someone out there who doesn't want to pay en exhorbitant respec cost to make your group complete.
If you are having that much trouble (which I think an exaggeration), it's really because you refuse to accept anyone who is off-spec to fill the roll. Stop thinking you have to be min/maxxed for everything to enjoy the game, and you'll stop having trouble finding groups.

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Lethality
01.08.2012 , 03:54 PM | #703
Quote: Originally Posted by zootzoot View Post
Play the way you want and let others play the way they want. Go ahead and pretend there's no respec trainer if that's how you get off....no harm there. Put your points in as you level and NEVER change one. I could carer less how you play the game. Please extend me the same courtesy.
No, because it will eventually effect EVERY PLAYER if the ability to swap specs instantly is in the game. And not in a good way. The design itself will begin to suffer from it.
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Crazyflames
01.08.2012 , 03:56 PM | #704
Quote: Originally Posted by Ruan View Post
Dual spec is necssary.

Just remember next time you are spamming general chat for an hour for a tank/healer for your flashpoint, there's someone out there who doesn't want to pay en exhorbitant respec cost to make your group complete.
Dual spec is not necessary. Water is necessary, food is necessary, Dual spec is a convenience. It will never take an hour to get somebody to go with you unless your playing at a really wierd time and nobody was on in the first place, if you want somebody to tank, heal, or DPS that bad you can pay for their respec.
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Lethality
01.08.2012 , 03:56 PM | #705
Quote: Originally Posted by GarbonzotheDude View Post
Oh well, guess instead you'll need to find a new game since they're going to add it. It isn't a question of "if" at this point it is simply "when".
Don't count your chickens before they hatch there, "Dude". There are plenty of reasons presented in these threads that BioWare is aware of to NOT do it (and a million reasons that are not in these threads as well.)

Bottom line, they didn't think it was the right design to put in the game to launch. So that's their position on it. If it changes, it wasn't because they thought it was a good idea up front.
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Radagastimus
01.08.2012 , 03:56 PM | #706
Quote: Originally Posted by zootzoot View Post
So I can't use my PVP spec when I'm questing on my PVP server? ...or on Illum? LOL you don't PVP do you?

As I said it's impossible to implement and even if it wasnt I'm greatly opposed to separating PVP and PVE mechanics. It creates the feeling of two games which is bad.
If you quest on PVP server you would use PVP spec right? Or perphaps hybrid pve/pvp outside warzones? It is not my fault if your mind can not comprehend such small things.
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DaxRendar
01.08.2012 , 03:57 PM | #707
Quote: Originally Posted by Lethality View Post
YES! Because that's not average gameplay. The average players, for whom the game is designed, do not typically see those kinds of mechanics at play.

If players want to play on the fringe that way, every day, then don't you think there might be _something_ special they should have to do to achieve it?

I know we've come to some good agreement on these issues, just playing devils advocate on this post
"_something_" yeah sure...

Cr 200,000/day? Hell no! If they wanted Flashpoints and Warzones to be casual, make those Missions Weekly instead of Daily and I'm... well not necessarily "fine" but somewhere closer to ok with things.

I just really wish they hadn't gone all "Holy Trinity" on this game - I'm a lifelong RPer (PnP) and I'd love a game where it's more about my character than my role... but this one isn't it, and with the choices BW made I want the features I think the game needs to have a healthy grouping population to be present.

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Lethality
01.08.2012 , 03:57 PM | #708
Quote: Originally Posted by HoneyBoy View Post
If people want to min/max content why not? If you don't like that playstyle then don't play with them?
They already can. But they want it to be even easier and more convenient... Those two ideas don't mesh. You need to jump through some hoops if you want to min/max and the repsec cost is just one of those. Works well.
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quazzi
01.08.2012 , 04:01 PM | #709
I love how people make up numbers in there head for who is important or how many of what type of player there are in game.

1st...The tern "Average player" seems to be popular around here. Please refrain from making assumptions about the general player base because it makes you look ignorant and foolish.

2nd... The expectation that I would have to roll the exact same class over again, level to 50 and fully re-gear just so I can have the convenience of not having to constantly respec to pve or pvp is asinine.

It also breaks a very large part of the immersion of the game for me. My character is supposed to be this awesome Sith Assassin. Who is a jack of all trades he can dps, he can tank, he can pvp. But with your mentality he can only be Mr awesome at 1 roll and 1 roll only. How dare he be a Sith assassin who likes killing republic scum in pvp and raiding.
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Lethality
01.08.2012 , 04:02 PM | #710
Quote: Originally Posted by HoneyBoy View Post
Thank you DaxRendar for putting this so eloquently. I think this sums up things quite nicely.
RPGs are not Quake or checkers. They are more of a thinking man's game, and considering the time we put into MMOs we consume them more as a hobby than a video game. Given that, that's why investment should matter year over year, not minute to minute.
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