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"Addons are stupid and WoW is easy."


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Jamuka
01.08.2012 , 12:25 PM | #371
Many add-ons are tools. They can be used for good purposes and they can be used for bad ones. Starting out in a raiding guild in vanilla WoW I would have had a much harder time making the case that Marksman was a better spec for damage than Survival without damage meters showing me beating out hunters with much better gear than I had. As a class leader it was important to communicate with other hunters in my guild, but I couldn't really take the time to ask every hunter after every fight what sort of rotation they were using. Damage meters helped me see who was lagging and, based on what abilities they had been using that fight, helped me come up with suggestions to help them perform better.

Having something that actually shows performance helps guilds move from "I hope we all do something better next time than we did this time" to "stop standing in the fire and taking the healer's focus away from the tanks Jamuka!" Meters also help show if some prospective guild mate is playing well and some veterans are just having an off day or if the prospective guildie is doing poorly. Damage meters provide information without telling you anything about how to play. Some people will use that information to taunt or deride others, some people will use it to help improve themselves and the people they group with.

Hunters had way too many abilities they needed to have quick access to for the default UI to handle, and mods and macros helped reduce clutter and make it easier to use abilities. Macros let me put all my stings on one button with alt modifiers and ctrl modifiers and they let me put all my buffs on one button that activated all of them with one button. Add-ons put all my traps, aspects, and tracking abilities on single collapsible buttons instead of taking up 5 slots each.

Certainly there is taking things like add-ons too far, and what too far is varies from person to person. I think the whole minimum Gear Score requirement things that started cropping up shortly before I stopped playing WoW pretty absurd. The nice thing about a Massively Multiplayer Online RPG is that you DO NOT HAVE TO PLAY WITH PEOPLE WHO TAKE THINGS TOO FAR OR NOT FAR ENOUGH.
'That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.'
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Masakari_
01.08.2012 , 12:28 PM | #372
The amount of rampant e-peen elitism in this thread is overflowing, and a perfect example of exactly why BW shouldn't carebear them and keep addons out of the game.

Non-raiders = casual, brainless, bad players. Right. That's rich.

Go back to WoW, please.
Masakari, Bounty Hunter
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LordGarion
01.08.2012 , 12:51 PM | #373
@ValkyrStudios.... Awesome post! I totally agree. One thing I hated about WoW was not getting a group or getting kicked from a group because of my gear score. I was once kicked after a wipe for having the worst GS but i was last to die and was right below top DPS. I am a casual gamer and have been since EQ. I have a family and a job and don't feel the need to have the absolutely best of everything in a game. I'm here to have fun and meet some friends, to relax after a long crappy week at work. I don't need some kid telling me I can't possibly be good enough because I haven't had my guild carry me to get the best gear. I want to be judged by my own skill and not by an addon using "elitist" that can't carry their own weight without being given the best gear. I think part of the fun of the game is running something the first time blind. To bad too many people feel they have to beat a game every single time instead of having fun playing it.

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Pintaphilly
01.08.2012 , 01:33 PM | #374
Quote: Originally Posted by LordGarion View Post
@ValkyrStudios.... Awesome post! I totally agree. One thing I hated about WoW was not getting a group or getting kicked from a group because of my gear score. I was once kicked after a wipe for having the worst GS but i was last to die and was right below top DPS. I am a casual gamer and have been since EQ. I have a family and a job and don't feel the need to have the absolutely best of everything in a game. I'm here to have fun and meet some friends, to relax after a long crappy week at work. I don't need some kid telling me I can't possibly be good enough because I haven't had my guild carry me to get the best gear. I want to be judged by my own skill and not by an addon using "elitist" that can't carry their own weight without being given the best gear. I think part of the fun of the game is running something the first time blind. To bad too many people feel they have to beat a game every single time instead of having fun playing it.
And who are you to claim that people who want to beat a game every single time, are not having fun doing it? The only elitist here is you, and you can't even realize it. People have different opinions, respect them like we respect your "casual" view of games.

If "casuals" like you don't want us "elitists" to interfere with your "casual" gaming, then how about you "casuals" don't interfere with our "hardcore" gaming.

What boggles my mind, is that you "casuals" are the ones that WHINE THE MOST. So much for being a "casual".

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TheSkate
01.08.2012 , 02:11 PM | #375
Quote: Originally Posted by Pintaphilly View Post
And who are you to claim that people who want to beat a game every single time, are not having fun doing it? The only elitist here is you, and you can't even realize it. People have different opinions, respect them like we respect your "casual" view of games.

If "casuals" like you don't want us "elitists" to interfere with your "casual" gaming, then how about you "casuals" don't interfere with our "hardcore" gaming.

What boggles my mind, is that you "casuals" are the ones that WHINE THE MOST. So much for being a "casual".
It is the casual player base that drives a game. The elite "I have to smash content at the fastest pace possible" are the ones that cry, ***** and moan about content being too easy after the game is released for only 1 month. Meanwhile the casual player is happy with major content patches coming out only once every 6-9 months because we "play" the game.

We casuals are not interfering with your game play (if you can call it that) when we say no to addons. We are just trying to make it so that you are interested in the game for an extra week or two. Naw, I'm kidding. We actually do hope that people that suck all the fun out of the game leave as quickly as possible so that they don't whine BioWare into ruining the game by allowing third party addons.

Actually, real casuals rarely whine about anything. Why would we? We are too busy having fun instead of trying to beat the endgame content before anyone else does.

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DragonAgeOrgins
01.08.2012 , 02:13 PM | #376
A tool is a wrench. A recount is to help the player's can't be bothered. All it does is tell TOP DPS. Does it tell you about that dps who jumped in front of the healer to save him and LOST HIS DPS for that. No. This argument a tool? nothing more then an over hyper crutch. A game does not need this.

I am able to tell what DPS I am doing. Believe it or not I already know my own routnation and spec for myself. I know what gives the max damage. I don't need "easy mode" to pull up the list of numbers. It's simply disgusting you would try to bring a tool from wow into this game. This is a story driven game play.

Enjoy what you do have. Add on's are not needed. People are just withdrawing from cold turkey. It changes the game, every add on changes the game in some small way. I have played in everquest. We never had add on's like recount and we did FINE.

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rfatcheric
01.08.2012 , 02:16 PM | #377
Quote: Originally Posted by zorke View Post
this just goes to show that you have not a single clue what you are talking about.

Heroic ragnaros was the hardest encounter ever implemented into the game. You can't even deny that.
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Trineda
01.08.2012 , 02:21 PM | #378
Hello everyone,

In order to keep the forums tidy and conversations in one place please use this thread to discuss the topic of mods, add-ons and macros, we will be closing this current thread.