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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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Crazyflames
01.08.2012 , 02:15 PM | #631
Dualspec does a few things. It makes lootroles unreliable, as I said before you could role on your offspec to take a valuable item, I realize it is much less of a problem than in a game such as WoW but it is still a problem. Tank specs and DPS specs use different gear even though they use the same stats.

Dualspec takes out one of the major money sinks in the game, without such money sinks the economy can become stagnant and overinflated very fast. If dualspec was to be put in I could see it hapening differently than in a game like WoW. Dualspec would allow you to switch specs anywhere but would still cost the respec cost (with a decently high price to enable dual spec) or even an increased cost (with a little cost to enable dual spec). With dual spec characters seem less personal in my opinion, you become less essential to everything in the game with dual spec and are easily replaced.
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HoneyBoy
01.08.2012 , 02:16 PM | #632
Quote: Originally Posted by Radagastimus View Post
Skill degredation. Focusing on one role usually ends up in knownledge of class/role resources and how to stretch them to limits in hard situations.
You will always have bad players and good players regardless of dual-spec. Choose who you want to play with accordingly. Like others have said dual spec does not negatively impact you in any way whatsoever.

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Radagastimus
01.08.2012 , 02:18 PM | #633
Quote: Originally Posted by HoneyBoy View Post
No single character would be able to fill every single role. No single AC has both a Tank/Heal spec. Class identity and flavor would still remain. You would still need the healer/dps/tank role to do operations/flashpoints.

As for the lore of Star Wars, I don't ever once remember Mace Windu mention that he was DPS or Yoda say he was a tank in any of the canonical movies

For the first i do hope that when dual spec comes it is only in the terms of existing AC and not being able to change ones AC. I just fear that convenience like this caters the way for more convenient things like dual AC could be as people WILL demand that after Dual spec is true.

For the latter neither did i I just wanted to raise a point of wiev from company owning rights to Star wars brand as they may have rights to limit so many strange things...
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zootzoot
01.08.2012 , 02:18 PM | #634
Quote: Originally Posted by RAMunch View Post
Anyone for respecs/dual spec isn't able to constructt a valid argument that doesn't follow the same theme:
1. I'm too lazy to make another characters
...or maybe some of us are attached to our main toon. Saying that Alts is the answer is nonsense...and saying we're lazy for not wanting to level and gear an alt is pure BS.

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2. I'm too lazy to pay for respecing
I'm very willing to pay a king's ransom to acquire Dual Spec so your FOS here as well.

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3. I'm too lazy to find someone else to fill a group role
Here's my PVP spec...
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#401rccMdhRRdZbIbR0z.1
Here's my Raid spec...
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#401MffrzGoRdsZ0cZG.1

Weird but it's the same role...Healer.

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4. My monthly subscription feeis so much better than everyone else I should get to do what I want when I want.
Again..play the way you want let us play the way we want.

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All in all they are just spouting a much of lazy based BS with an overwhelming sense of entitlement.

If you want to pvp competitively then why do you need a pve spec?
if you want to pve then why do you need a pvp spec?
if you want to do 2 things, you should have 2 characters.
if you want to do the 2 things on 1 character, BW has provided you that means, you can respec for a cost. The only reason you wouldn't utilize this service is if you are TOO LAZY to pay for it.
Please stop making yourself look like a fool.

Some of us like playing the whole game. Some of us like to PVP when we're not raiding. You do your little RP thing and let us play the way we want. You can feel satisified that we're lazy slobs if that helps.

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SlickDevlan
01.08.2012 , 02:19 PM | #635
Quote: Originally Posted by HoneyBoy View Post
You will always have bad players and good players regardless of dual-spec. Choose who you want to play with accordingly. Like others have said dual spec does not negatively impact you in any way whatsoever.
Huh!? It degrades the entire purpose of the spec system...which means it makes anyone who "decides not to do it" half a player.

Besides, the whole "it doesn't affect you" argument is idiotic to highest degree possible. You could be handed loot from every boss in the game...that would affect me as much as your dual spec would. Does that magically mean that that is A-OK too?

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Grotpar
01.08.2012 , 02:19 PM | #636
Quote: Originally Posted by RAMunch View Post
Anyone for respecs/dual spec isn't able to constructt a valid argument that doesn't follow the same theme:
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Still haven't seen a valid argument against them either.

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HoneyBoy
01.08.2012 , 02:22 PM | #637
Quote: Originally Posted by Crazyflames View Post
Dualspec does a few things. It makes lootroles unreliable, as I said before you could role on your offspec to take a valuable item, I realize it is much less of a problem than in a game such as WoW but it is still a problem. Tank specs and DPS specs use different gear even though they use the same stats.

Dualspec takes out one of the major money sinks in the game, without such money sinks the economy can become stagnant and overinflated very fast. If dualspec was to be put in I could see it hapening differently than in a game like WoW. Dualspec would allow you to switch specs anywhere but would still cost the respec cost (with a decently high price to enable dual spec) or even an increased cost (with a little cost to enable dual spec). With dual spec characters seem less personal in my opinion, you become less essential to everything in the game with dual spec and are easily replaced.
Lootrules are already unreliable, I can roll need on whatever I want. Some people even roll need for their companions! If you don't want unreliable lootrules establish them ahead of time with your Pug/Friends before stepping into the Heroic/Flashpoint. Dual spec has nothing to do with that.

It's an MMO with a virtual ebay. You already have players of variety level of income levels as is.

If you're a skilled player you're obviously essential to the group. If you're playing with friends why does whether or not you're essential even matter?

I still haven't seen anyone post about how this negatively impacts them personally.

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zootzoot
01.08.2012 , 02:22 PM | #638
Quote: Originally Posted by SlickDevlan View Post
Huh!? It degrades the entire purpose of the spec system...which means it makes anyone who "decides not to do it" half a player.

Besides, the whole "it doesn't affect you" argument is idiotic to highest degree possible. You could be handed loot from every boss in the game...that would affect me as much as your dual spec would. Does that magically mean that that is A-OK too?
Degrades the spec system? If they were worried about that there wouldn't be a respec trainer.


...and it doesn't effect you at all. You're example is ridiculous. How can you compare me being able to store a PVP spec with Keybinds to getting free loot. Talk about hyberbolic nonsense.

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SlickDevlan
01.08.2012 , 02:22 PM | #639
Quote: Originally Posted by Grotpar View Post
Still haven't seen a valid argument against them either.
They are entirely contrary to the whole purpose of specs.

Do I get a cookie?

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GarbonzotheDude
01.08.2012 , 02:22 PM | #640
Quote: Originally Posted by RAMunch View Post
Anyone for respecs/dual spec isn't able to constructt a valid argument that doesn't follow the same theme:
1. I'm too lazy to make another characters
2. I'm too lazy to pay for respecing
3. I'm too lazy to find someone else to fill a group role
4. My monthly subscription feeis so much better than everyone else I should get to do what I want when I want.


All in all they are just spouting a much of lazy based BS with an overwhelming sense of entitlement.

If you want to pvp competitively then why do you need a pve spec?
if you want to pve then why do you need a pvp spec?
if you want to do 2 things, you should have 2 characters.
if you want to do the 2 things on 1 character, BW has provided you that means, you can respec for a cost. The only reason you wouldn't utilize this service is if you are TOO LAZY to pay for it.
It isn't like you made a valid argumet yourself. Hilarious, amusing, and tons of ignorance to yours but no validation whatsoever to it.