Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

Please leave speccing the way it is.
The indecisive, unsocial, uncreative, lazy people that want the ability to flip flop can go back and play WoW and Rift, they cater to you.


To me respeccing is the equivalent of going to college for 4 years, earning a degree in business management working for awhile, then deciding that you really wanted to be a doctor. Rather than going to school and paying with time, money and effort for the fact that you changed your mind, you just call up the university and have them change your degree to medicine and call it a day.

Instead of asking for dual spec why not just ask to do away with specs? if you can freely choose what role you want to fill, why choose to begin with? At that point the choice is worthless and actually just a waste of time. Why not be able to "respec" into completely different classes? or races? At what point do all of you that want dualspecs feel that you have to make a decision and live with it and deal with the consequences of it? Do you just want the ability to choose your level, class, stats, spec, etc at will?

Changing your spec is no different than
1. Changing your Advance Class
2. Changing your Class
3. Changing your appearance
4. Changing your Race
5. Changing your Name
6. Changing your Faction
7. Changing your level

These are all character defining attributes, if they implement respecs they should just allow us to freely alter any of those attributes. Why would one of them be more special than the other?


/sarcasm on

Since obviously the vast majority just want to be able to do whatever, whenever they want with no cost I propose BW do away with classes. Everyone should Heal like a healer, tank like a tank, and do dps like teh best dps...now we don't have to worry about those pesky decisions, we just get 4 people together and run a flash point. done! no thinking required, no planning, no decisions to be made, no cost either!! god this is perfect

/sarcasm off

For anyone that tries to counter with patches making changes to specs etc...DAoC did it for years with only being able to respec killing the appropriate bosses and they gave out respecs anytime the developers felt they made changes that were hugely impactful. This was good because fixing an exploit/bug wasn't considered impactful, so people that specced a certain way because there was a bug in the skill didn't get a free respect to move on to the next bugged setup. It made people take pride in their specs, people got creative with how to take on content if they didn't have someone in the group with something less than the "perfect spec"

If the talent decisions are going to be marginalized by allowing for cheap respecs or dual specs why bother having them to begin with?

Please all of you people that want this to be a watered down game like WoW, go back to Wow.... where decisions don't matter, every class can dang near fill every role, you don't have to talk to people because the dungeon finder makes groups for you. the only reason to want cheap respecs or dual specs is YOU ARE LAZY. Every argument in this thread thus far for it is nothing more than a vague attempt to justify being lazy or claiming entitlement because you pay to play. I pay just as much as the next so your sense of entitlement ends where mine begins and my sense of entitlement says I pay to play a game that has a cost for respeccing. So unless you got a really good reason why you are better than me or your monthly sub is better than mine you are no more entitled to being able to respec than I am entitled to playing a game where there is no respecing.

Veiled arguements that are lazy.

1. My static group healer wasn't available for X days, we couldn't do/struggled with content...if someone could have respeced healer we would have been fine. LAZY! you would have also been fine if you would have put forth some f'ing effor and found someone else, made a new character, paid for the respec etc...LAZY there are other options to satisfy the need but you are TOO LAZY to use them, you want it handed to you.

2. I want to be able to PvP as one spec, PvE as another spec and not pay for it. I want to make a Fortune 500 CEO's salary without having to do anything...doesn't mean i should get it does it? You want to PvP and PvE, either deal with being inferiror at one, make 2 characters, or pay for the respec. Again there are other options you are just TOO LAZY to do them.

3. I don't have the time to level up 2 characters. Then stop playing, or deal with playing only 1. If someone argued they don't have the time to level 1 character should we just give them a level 50 with max valor ranks?? BW isn't making your life decisions for you, if you don't have the time to play the way you want that is not there fault and they shouldn't alter their game for you, you alter your life or stop playing? I don't have the time to build a 50,000 sqft house, who's going to come and build me one?? oh no one, and that's exactly who should cater to your lazy waste of space *****.

4. i want to test specs...awesome! they should implement free respecs on the test server, test them there...or pay for it!

This is a service, you don't goto a restraunt, pay for a plate them expect them to change it from a steak to lobster after you've ate half of it because YOU changed without you paying for both do you?

You don't signup for the biggest cable TV plan to decide half way through the month you don't really want all those HBO stations and not expect to pay for the time you have had them do you?

Everything else in life if you pay for a service and make a decision, once that decision is delivered you PAY for it if you want to change your mind....why should this be any different? Oh because it's a game, it's a form of entertainment? So is a movie, a play, a vacation, etc...If I go to the movies and buy a ticket for A, watch it and then tell the manager that I didn't want to watch movie A i really wanted to watch movie B, he'll be more than happy to sell me another ticket to movie B but he's not going to give it to me for free.

Also for those that say that if I don't like it don't use it, the ability existing in the game does impact those that don't want to use it. Example: If person A chooses DPS spec over Healing spec, but Person B chose Healing spec and there is a group opening for a healer. Lets Assume Person A is using dual spec and Person B is like me and doesn't believe in using it. Now person A just flips specs and joins the group, which isn't fair to B that has stuck it out. If person A wants to play dps and healer, make 2 characters or dual spec and be mediocre at them.


I feel like the current system is a good compromise...I as one that is against respeccing isn't happy with it and those that want dual specs aren't happy with it...if all parties are equally miserable then it's a good comprimise.

The current system:

• If you are uncreative and must flip specs to the newest flavor of the month...you pay for it...those of us that chose our own specs don't.
  
• If you are unsocial and want to stick with your tight group of friends and be able to alter roles to fill in when one doesn't show up...you pay for it. Those of us that will just find a fill in don't have to pay for it.
  
• If you are indecisive and just want to keep changing specs...great you can pay for it, those of us that deal with the decisions we make don't have to.
  
• If you want to be able to fill whatever role is currently being /LFG'd then great, you can just pay for it, those of us that will wait for our role to be needed or start our own group won't.

I am 100% serious, I will pay double my monthly subscription for a server that does away with respecs entirely except when given out by the developers when they feel they have made changes that alter the game significantly enough to justify it. I will actually go ahead and pay for 5 years in advance, sign a contract or whatever BW wants to get my money and know that I am serious. At least then I know that I am on a server with people that aren't a whiny group of indecisive power-gamers with an entitlement complex...and to me that is priceless.

/rage off

It wouldn't impact anyone who didn't use those perks. Your argument is flawed though because as of now there are no AC respecs (while we can respec within our AC) and the mount is a one time fee (just like a Dual Spec fee would be.) So 0 for 2 on your examples.

You are correct they already allow us to change specs FOR A COST!!!!. You are wanting it for free. If you can't see the difference here I'm not sure I can help you.

If you are wanting dual specs but every time you switch between each spec it charges you the same as it does now for respeccing...THEN you are asking for a more convenient way of doing what they currently priovide. Instead what you are asking for is a FREE way to do what YOU want. The two are completely different.

What's wrong with living with the decisions you've made and if you want the most optimal spec for a given situation paying the cost to respec?

Play the way you want and let others play the way they want. Go ahead and pretend there's no respec trainer if that's how you get off....no harm there. Put your points in as you level and NEVER change one. I could carer less how you play the game. Please extend me the same courtesy.

You don't PVP do you? ...or maybe it's you don't PVE because for all the chatter from the devs we still have very different needs in each area which require different specs.

It's ludicrous to say it's fair for someone who wants to PVE and PVP each day to have to pay the Credit costs as they exist now or to deal with the tedium of going to the Fleet and redoing our Hot Bars/Keybinds. Your answer is to pick a sub optimal spec for one or the other and live with the gimpiness.

Oh well, guess instead you'll need to find a new game since they're going to add it. It isn't a question of "if" at this point it is simply "when".

Feel free to keep raging though and making more incredibly lame analogies and hilarious albeit illogical exaggerations.

Does make for an entertaining read.

If it took me four years to fill out my spec I might be inclined to agree with you. How is choosing where to allocate 41 points into a static talent tree anywhere near the same as learning the technical expertise required to be a doctor or physician?

This game was built on roles, each player can only fill one role at a time. What's wrong with having the variety to fill healer role in one flashpoint then DPS in another? Class flavor and identity will still remain. Jedi Shadows still won't be able to heal and their tanking style will still differ from that of a Powertech/Vanguard.

You can still stick to one spec for the rest of your SWTOR lifetime, nobody is stopping you. Having Dual Spec in the game would not stop you.

If people want to min/max content why not? If you don't like that playstyle then don't play with them?

The crux of your argument finally rears it's nasty head. The opposite of lazy is hard-working which is what you feel an MMORPG should be and what you want forced on others. I guess in your case however going through tedium is the same as hard-working.

Analogies that compare real world careers with that of a video game design that is meant to be FUN don't really work out very well.

You are "raging" because you want people to be forced to play the way you want them to?

Anyone for respecs/dual spec isn't able to constructt a valid argument that doesn't follow the same theme:
1. I'm too lazy to make another characters
2. I'm too lazy to pay for respecing
3. I'm too lazy to find someone else to fill a group role
4. My monthly subscription feeis so much better than everyone else I should get to do what I want when I want.


All in all they are just spouting a much of lazy based BS with an overwhelming sense of entitlement.

If you want to pvp competitively then why do you need a pve spec?
if you want to pve then why do you need a pvp spec?
if you want to do 2 things, you should have 2 characters.
if you want to do the 2 things on 1 character, BW has provided you that means, you can respec for a cost. The only reason you wouldn't utilize this service is if you are TOO LAZY to pay for it.

Well there really iss only one valid argument against dual-spec in cases od some players and in lesser impact in some more of players but not to all.

Skill degredation. Focusing on one role usually ends up in knownledge of class/role resources and how to stretch them to limits in hard situations.

While usually doing PVE in dps role player gets used to that role, changing to healer for instance usually goes well but in some cases it may make things be unecessary hard and end up to wipes which in general is never really fun.

Other argument that cant really be proven is that systems like Dungeon finders and dual specs attract a base of player that generally just want fast leveling and ease of access to best gear available. This easiness degenerated wow even further from the allready bad community. Dungeons became leveling machines instead of events played by guilds and friends. This has litle to do with dual-spec itself but it caters the way to add more faatures that ease the gameplay like re-speccing on the fly and specs per boss which is more hardiness to casuals in that part and so on.

Besides this thread is only for sake of argument since BW has allready sayed in one interwiev that "Theyd like to add dual spec short after lauch" so most likely it eventually will come. Hopefully it will not cater to removal of hybrid builds or removal of "useless" talents or somesuch nonsense.

Because the system as is, is obviously tedious to me and many others or there wouldn't be a "dual spec should be implemented" post every day.

The goal of any video game should be FUN!