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Healing reduced by 30% in pvp. WHY!?

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Healing reduced by 30% in pvp. WHY!?
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xHPx
01.08.2012 , 06:28 AM | #261
Quote: Originally Posted by Lindraskada View Post
and thats exactly my point. healers arent "too strong" dps are "too lazy/incompetant"
I play healer aswell. Please realize that the only reason you find this 30% debuff bad is because you're not good enough. You're simply not a competent healer, hate to be the one to break it to you.
Things you may not be doing:

Hotkeying your abilities. Everything should be keybinded.

Fake casting. Perhaps you get interrupted too much? Cast and somewhere before finish, stop casting to lure the opponents interrupt spells.

Gearing. Gear up. Maybe your gear is just too bad?

Being good. Maybe you're just bad at the game and it won't change? If you played dps, you'd wonder why that healing debuff wasn't 60% instead. But for now, you're a healer so this is your subject of whining.

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And your arguent "all dpses suxx, therefor, even tho statistically healers are really good right now, it's all an illusion roflflfl!!!1" doesn't last. The avarage player is probably about as good regardless of what class he/she plays and at the moment, healers aren't weak at all with the 30% debuff.

TL;DR - You're too bad to play a healer. If you played dps, you'd claim healers sucked and needed a 60% debuff instead. Your argument that all dpses sucks doesn't last either. BioWare is not going to read this and think "Oh, hey guys watch this: Some random dude here on the forums says all dps-players sucks. So even tho it might look like healers are balanced, they're actually too weak. Let's remove this 30% debuff so that healers can be much better than the other classes. More than they already are infact. Patch inc."

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Nowhere
01.08.2012 , 06:28 AM | #262
Quote: Originally Posted by Lindraskada View Post
really ? funnily enough ive been seeing less and less recently, as people get fed up with it and respec to dps. im usually the only one , and im prob respecing at the end of the week as ive had enough aswell :\
Same here.

There are less and less scoundrels/commando healers. Sages seem to be a bit better with their shield, etc. and more are sticking with it.

Either way I am a level 37 scoundrel sawbones and I am thinking of just respeccing into that "OP" scrapper spec soon to reap the benefits before they get nerfed. It is ok healing in PvE as Scoundrel Sawbones but in PvP it is an uphill battle. Sure, I can do fine healing if left alone...but if I don't have my Disappearing Act (3 minute cooldown) then I am as good as dead when a dps gets on me. My only options is to stun and run.

To those saying healers would be OP....please do me a favor and roll a Scoundrel Sawbones and do some warzones. Get into some solo fights, do some duels. It's just not really that fun and you get crunched like nothing when anybody looks at you.

I really wanted to heal in this game but I am probably going to switch to Scrapper as soon as I hit 50. Only reason I would stick with Sawbones is to PvE and quest. As I said, PvE on the Sawbones is perfectly fine. With Corso as my companion tanking I can solo a lot of content without too many issues. Warzones though are not that fun as a sawbones healer. Heals are relatively weak, survivability isn't that great UNLESS my 3 minute cooldown is up and dodge, the raid UI is messed up and sometimes doesn't show proper health numbers. Overall I just don't think Sawbones is on an equal playing field.

I have healed in many games, sure some had healers overpowered but here in SWTOR, Scoundrel Sawbones specifically is quite weak. I have not played Sage or Commando so I can't comment on them but from what I am hearing it isn't by any means much better.

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KSimeoni
01.08.2012 , 06:28 AM | #263
Yeap healing is about right in pvp, whats retarded is that when i try to use my"interupts" which are 2 or 3 for my commando on 30sec cds and dont apply any "lockout" period on casts, i just have to wait for any previous animation to stop playing, or wait for the 1,5 sec global cool down, before i can use em..

no worries here.....


emm!? whats your heal cast time btw?

(commando`s point of view of healing, cant speak for the rest)

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Nowhere
01.08.2012 , 06:30 AM | #264
Quote: Originally Posted by xHPx View Post
I play healer aswell. Please realize that the only reason you find this 30% debuff bad is because you're not good enough. You're simply not a competent healer, hate to be the one to break it to you.
Things you may not be doing:

Hotkeying your abilities. Everything should be keybinded.

Fake casting. Perhaps you get interrupted too much? Cast and somewhere before finish, stop casting to lure the opponents interrupt spells.

Gearing. Gear up. Maybe your gear is just too bad?

Being good. Maybe you're just bad at the game and it won't change? If you played dps, you'd wonder why that healing debuff wasn't 60% instead. But for now, you're a healer so this is your subject of whining.

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And your arguent "all dpses suxx, therefor, even tho statistically healers are really good right now, it's all an illusion roflflfl!!!1" doesn't last. The avarage player is probably about as good regardless of what class he/she plays and at the moment, healers aren't weak at all with the 30% debuff.

TL;DR - You're too bad to play a healer. If you played dps, you'd claim healers sucked and needed a 60% debuff instead. Your argument that all dpses sucks doesn't last either. BioWare is not going to read this and think "Oh, hey guys watch this: Some random dude here on the forums says all dps-players sucks. So even tho it might look like healers are balanced, they're actually too weak. Let's remove this 30% debuff so that healers can be much better than the other classes. More than they already are infact. Patch inc."
Sage? You certainly are not playing Scoundrel Sawbones.

I am an experienced player. Sawbones is great in PvE but PvP is an uphill battle at best.

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Satans_Puppet
01.08.2012 , 06:33 AM | #265
I dunno, now I'm finding myself healing against Operatives and Bounty Hunters I usually have to leave that person to die because their crits out do my healing at an alarming rate. I know I need Crit gear but I can't get that till I hit 50 or do a few more flash points.

Also found some whiners in battlegrounds who do the whole "Look at our teams level compared to theirs..." who won't get healed by me because they've already accepted defeat instead of being constructive.

However healing as a scoundrel is tough going and 9 times out of 10 I find myself praying for those elusive crits.

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Prodexx
01.08.2012 , 06:36 AM | #266
Just please do not cry about healing being bad. This game rushes towards a terminator gameplay already.

Why ?
Because you enter Huttball 90% of times and what people going to do for it is puting 3 healers with a 20k hp tank. So it will end up being a race to pick up the ball first since you will not be able to kill the enemy anyway.
Also if they allow team vs team, it will be like all healers and one tank, have fun killing that.
Funneh PvP imo!

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Nowhere
01.08.2012 , 06:38 AM | #267
Quote: Originally Posted by Satans_Puppet View Post
However healing as a scoundrel is tough going and 9 times out of 10 I find myself praying for those elusive crits.
My sentiments exactly.

I think everybody needs to roll a Scoundrel Sawbones and see for themselves. I am not saying it is HORRIBLE. It is however a major struggle in PvP. In PvE it is perfectly fine. Nothing needs to be changed for the Sawbones in PvE in my opinion. The 30% healing debuff in PvP may not be affecting others as much, I am unsure really as I can only speak from experience but I think Sawbones are getting the bad end of the stick with this debuff.

I don't want Sawbones to be OP or a God that can outheal 3 players focusing on them. I just want to be balanced and I genuinely feel that Sawbones could use some love.

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Hamstaxo
01.08.2012 , 06:50 AM | #268
Quote: Originally Posted by Prodexx View Post
Just please do not cry about healing being bad. This game rushes towards a terminator gameplay already.

Why ?
Because you enter Huttball 90% of times and what people going to do for it is puting 3 healers with a 20k hp tank. So it will end up being a race to pick up the ball first since you will not be able to kill the enemy anyway.
Also if they allow team vs team, it will be like all healers and one tank, have fun killing that.
Funneh PvP imo!
stim + trinket + op/scrapper = dead ballcarrier in under 5 secs

its not the healers that ruin huttball. its the fact that everyone can force speed, jump and all the stuff with the ball.
Combat Medic - 640 exp. - rr4Lx - Hamstaxa - <Fedaykin> @ Jar'kai Sword

For gods sake lower all dmg and heal bei 50% or double all hp

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Lindraskada
01.08.2012 , 06:51 AM | #269
Quote: Originally Posted by xHPx View Post
I play healer aswell. Please realize that the only reason you find this 30% debuff bad is because you're not good enough. You're simply not a competent healer, hate to be the one to break it to you.
Things you may not be doing:

Hotkeying your abilities. Everything should be keybinded.

Fake casting. Perhaps you get interrupted too much? Cast and somewhere before finish, stop casting to lure the opponents interrupt spells.

Gearing. Gear up. Maybe your gear is just too bad?

Being good. Maybe you're just bad at the game and it won't change? If you played dps, you'd wonder why that healing debuff wasn't 60% instead. But for now, you're a healer so this is your subject of whining.

-

And your arguent "all dpses suxx, therefor, even tho statistically healers are really good right now, it's all an illusion roflflfl!!!1" doesn't last. The avarage player is probably about as good regardless of what class he/she plays and at the moment, healers aren't weak at all with the 30% debuff.

TL;DR - You're too bad to play a healer. If you played dps, you'd claim healers sucked and needed a 60% debuff instead. Your argument that all dpses sucks doesn't last either. BioWare is not going to read this and think "Oh, hey guys watch this: Some random dude here on the forums says all dps-players sucks. So even tho it might look like healers are balanced, they're actually too weak. Let's remove this 30% debuff so that healers can be much better than the other classes. More than they already are infact. Patch inc."
funnily enough, im normally top 2 healers when im healing, and when i play one of my DPS alts, im normally top 4. wonder how i manage that

as i mentioned previously, ive been playing healers, in pve and pvp , going on 10 years. so yea i know how to fake cast, about moving, and placement, and support, and pre-casting. thanks though, marks for effort 4/10

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Lindraskada
01.08.2012 , 06:53 AM | #270
Quote: Originally Posted by Hamstaxo View Post
stim + trinket + op/scrapper = dead ballcarrier in under 5 secs

its not the healers that ruin huttball. its the fact that everyone can force speed, jump and all the stuff with the ball.
the problem with huttball specifically, is i -think- it was designed by the same **** who did Tor Anroc for WAR. ie "dont need skill, have knockback, lol ! "