Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

So because CROSS-SERVER LFD killed server communities, we should have no tools to find people to form a group outside of general chat?


Yeah... that makes sense.

You do it's called guilds.

And if the MMO community wasn't so full of lazy battle.net kids lately you'd have message boards and such setting up various times to do raids like we had for the master level trials and such in DAoC.

But everybody wants their easy button now days.

It's all instancing, match making and teleporting to an instanced battleground where you get a few cookies just for showing up, no matter how bad you do.

Seriously? I'm sorry I don't have that kind of time. Besides the last three times I did this for two hours, I still could not find anyone. I can't see the content I paid for.
And people you know? You're behind a computer screen either way. If I want to be 'friends' with people that's what the guild and friends list are for.

Blizzard got it right because access to content >>>> community. You cannot enjoy the game if you can't have access to content. THe last two critic reviews people posted about to tout the game even complained about the crappy lfg system lol.

How does one possibly equate standing around spamming the same message over and over as "hard work"? How does not having a LFG/LFD tool stop people from getting rewarded no matter how bad they do?

Your argument makes absolutely no sense to me. It sounds like my old father lamenting about the loss of the good old days. Look, if the good old days were so "good" we wouldn't have had things designed to make things better. You, and most of the other anti LFG/LFD tool people, sound as if you don't care about this issue really. You just want 10 years ago back. It's a wonder any of you even decided to use a computer at all, since you know, it just made a lot of things easy........

I agree with this so much. It seems like MMOs just don't have that flair they use to. All these people needing these conveniences for quick EVERYTHING just don't realize how much they break the community down and in the end make people bitter for it, because they don't have to respect their fellow player and often do not.

I'll try this. Rift.

- The LFD tool attempted to be cute, by doing role / gear matching to make the best possible groups and to try to avoid some of the common complaints.

Let's go back as to why this was attempted. It was the community that first drove the 'need' for a LFD tool. Rift has a system where just about any class can play any role (perhaps not well, but whatever). So what happened is that people complained about who was doing what in groups (even before LFD tool). So to attempt to add protectionn to the LFD tool, Trion thought it smart to grade a soul and gear to determine if a player looking for a group was actually capable of doing something for a group for a specific dungeon.

Long story short, people that were doing dungeons prior to LFD tool were now locked out because of gear requirements or some other part of the LFD system.

So a few things:

- You cannot say don't use it, because once the tool is in place it becomes the crutch to lean on to get a group. Almost no one will pay any attention to requests outside of LFD.

- If a LFD tool is implemented, don't try to be cute about it. But, I can guarantee you the complaints don't stop with a LFD tool. The complaints change from no tool to loot problems to pairing problems, etc.

- Complaints will persist. If the tool is not cross server, people will scream for cross server. People will complain about lockouts, people will complain about 1,000 other things. And then people will complain that the tool exists at all.

- Does the LFD tool warp you to the dungeon?
- How does the matching work?
- How does looting work (who can agree to need or not for companions)?
- Can you have 2 people with their companions form a group?
- Are heroic areas included?

Shrug, I think the tool is more trouble than it is worth. And I know people will not stop complaining even if the tool is implemented and it includes every piece of content in the game. No one stopped complainig in other games that had an LFD tool. Heck, I have never seen an LFD tool affect subs in any way at all. Didn't help Rift, WoW was already huge. So personally, I have no problem with it, but I ahve about 1,000 or so things I would rather see before it.

You haven't seen a valid argument because you don't want to see one.
End of discussion.

You could try joining a guild. I'm still ahead of the leveling curve and I managed to put together a maelstrom prison group in 2 minutes while doing my quests in Balmorra.

TOR raid content is a joke that's why.

If you think it didn't hurt the community the clearly you were either one of the people that were hurting it with your ignorance or rudeness, OR you barely played the game at all.

As an example - my guild struggled in finding new GOOD members after LFD, because we couldn't see them in action.
I haven't got a single new true friend after LFD was implemented either, mostly because even if you meet nice people in the Dungeons you can't really get to know them better and start something bigger.

There are many other reasons, you just can't see them, and it makes me wonder why. Were you the guy needing on **** just because you needed gold? Perhaps, who knows.