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Ignorance about Sorc OP'ness

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Ignorance about Sorc OP'ness

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asuffield
01.07.2012 , 07:27 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by CausticSushi View Post
As a scoundrel speced completely into Infiltration(lv41)
You specced a scoundrel with a shadow talent tree? Impressive.

I shall assume you meant "the middle one", scrapper.

Scoundrels do seem to be rather lacking in sorcerer-killing abilities. The melee classes are much better at taking them out. I suggest you would be better served by making marauders your priority target - and given the armor-cutting ability of a scoundrel, the tank classes are also your prey. Shadows are the stealth class best suited to killing sorcerers.

But you seem to be complaining that scoundrels should be a ganking class and you can't gank with it. No class is supposed to be able to do that. Every character is tough to kill solo - some classes are better able to beat down others, but in all cases you're looking at a fight that lasts upwards of 20 seconds.

Scoundrels start out with a huge burst of damage. After this, they're supposed to fight.

(Find you're getting killed much quicker than this in pvp? Either you're doing something wrong, or far more likely, there was somebody else attacking you that you didn't notice. Everybody dies to focus fire)

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Marisblood
01.07.2012 , 09:43 AM | #62
I played PVP and Sorceror is not as u speak, so do u want me to believe u?
Are u satisfied? ZCause i dont believe u, i see it in real PVP. So stop beging for more OP.

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vrgadin
01.07.2012 , 09:47 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaid View Post
Because you don't need them. With bubbles alone and an occasional cc or heal.

People aren't rolling them in mass in PVP because they are "Average". That's just not how PVP works, sorry people.
this^^^^^

"most games fail these days because they are theme parks. tps have no depth. you play through the story and you are done. though swg had no quests strangely enough in 2-3 years i never had nothing to do. sandboxes are real mmos. "

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Maxxacre
01.07.2012 , 09:55 AM | #64
Good post on the OP's part. But I can't say I'm surprised by the responses. People are just going to think what they're going to think based on their own observations, which are limited and truthfully ignorant on most occasions. You can't understand a class, and how to counter it, until you've either played it or have done a significant amount of research on its skill trees and abilities, and have a fundamental understanding of how it works. That includes its strengths and weaknesses.

With as many interrupts as there are in this game, and considering the fact that most anything that is worthwhile casting as a Sorcerer relies on a cast timer, you would think people would be able to deal with them better.
"Paper is fine, nerf rock!" --Scissors

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nubzz
01.07.2012 , 09:57 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by vrgadin View Post
this^^^^^
I still think they are the fotm for the lightning attacks. If we continue to see so many in the future perhaps there is something to the idea that they are op but this is early and the kids like purple lightning.
From my experience so far the classes seem fairly balanced as compared to some other mmo's I have played, especially for a launch.
I don't like to see people who don't understand their classes mechanics complaining that others are beating them that actually understand how things work. It's always the complainers on a forum and it's the main feedback the devs get so they work with that and it has ruined a few games. Look back at swg, so many people (like myself) loved the system but the small percent who cried on the forum got their way and in the end even they were disappointed.
I'm currently devoting my time to a gunslinger and atm I think it's a relatively pvp underpowered class. The having to be in cover thing for my best attacks really blows but I'm not complaining about it I'm still learning.
Look before you leap people when you complain about this class or that.

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Maxxacre
01.07.2012 , 10:00 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaid View Post
Because you don't need them. With bubbles alone and an occasional cc or heal.

People aren't rolling them in mass in PVP because they are "Average". That's just not how PVP works, sorry people.
People started rolling them in mass from day 1 because they are like a traditional mage and priest wrapped up in one, both of which are extremely popular MMO archetypes; and also the fact that their visual style and story are thought to be highly more desirable than many of the alternatives.

If you look at any poll that was taken before launch, and involved people who never had the chance to play beta, in all cases the Sith Inquisitor, and/or Sorcerer if the poll included ACs, was always chosen as the most popular class to be played by a wide margin.

It's not like everyone rolled something else on day 1 of launch, then realized the Sorcerer was OP, and went back to reroll a Sorcerer. So don't act like that's the case. The fact is, people wanted to play this class more than any other class before they knew anything about game balance. The argument that a lot of people play the class and therefore it must be OP is pure garbage and you know it.
"Paper is fine, nerf rock!" --Scissors

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Maxxacre
01.07.2012 , 10:01 AM | #67
Also... fully serious... the Sorcerer/Sage is the most well balanced class in the game right now and needs no adjustments whatsoever.

/flameshield

Edit: and no I don't play one anymore. Only played it up to 35 and now I never even log on to it. But I fully understand how it works, and have played against many at level 50 and have no problems generally.
"Paper is fine, nerf rock!" --Scissors

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darkrom
01.07.2012 , 10:12 AM | #68
Anything with a gun is more threatening than a Sorc.

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Auxerath
01.07.2012 , 10:59 AM | #69
[QUOTE=asuffield;1266843]Few classes are quite as easy to kill as a sage/sorcerer.

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ahahahah have you played against or as a Sentinal? Squishy as ****.....

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Lokai
01.07.2012 , 11:13 AM | #70
I'll add to this a bit...

Question: How do you get so high damage done?

Answer: same way a warlock does in WoW called dot spamming people understand how to tab cast affliction can get a dot rolling on everyone in sight, and this pads the damage meter. Damage done is NOT a good indication of actual skill or ability simply because its very easy to do tons of damage and never kill anyone.

Question: BUT you have all those kills! how!?

Answer: called assists if i deal so much damage to a target(which is easy with just dots) you get credit for kills, additionally! its pretty easy for me to hit shock when i see some one at low hp and kill steal to...

Question: BUT all those heals! and shields?!
Answer: while yes static barrior is an amazing ability it has a key flaw all abilities like this have in past games. As gear scales it will become less and less usefultill its worthless. At my level at least static drops inside of 3 attacks from any melee class, 1 from a heavily geared player. In addition to that healing itself what your seeing is called OVER healing! when i crit heal typically far more then i need to top someone off. Go look up paladins in WoW see same basic effect...they get TONS of healing done! however most of its over healing! people need to learn to interupt BIG heals! by saving your stuns, knock backs, and such till Sorc is healing this will kill them...also seems sentinels/maurders either have multible ones or can spam there interupt cause had one lock me down entirely before.

Fact is whole chain lightning spec does DECENT damage early on but as people start to scale they will out scale this dot spec.

Edit: also whining won't do any good on either front as bioware has CLEARLY stated they buff and nerf based on metrics not what we think.
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