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Ignorance about Sorc OP'ness

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Ignorance about Sorc OP'ness

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gormanster
01.06.2012 , 03:45 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by DimeStax View Post
Um, use a CC? If Sprint is the only thing that keeps you alive what do you do when it's down? Besides, don't most melee classes have perma snare anyway, you're telling me that you don't already stand there and get pummeled and don't bubble/cc/dps yourself to victory anyway?
We have a stun, that could get trinketed and has a substantial cooldown. We also have a knockback, that has a decent cooldown as well. We also do have a snare, however it, as well, is not spammable.

Mind you, most melee classes have some speed bonus/charge/grab that can pretty much negate any our knockbacks/snares.

Not to go back to wow as a reference here, but if mages didn't have blink in wow, they'd be garbage; which is essentially what our "sprint for TWO seconds" is.

You really are blowing things out of proportion here, and not having any idea about other classes skills/abilities before talking.

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DimeStax
01.06.2012 , 03:53 PM | #32
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1. 3k every 20 seconds is not "hella nice" and it's not only on par with "high armor" if you're fighting someone doing nothing for damage in the first place.

2. You didn't prove any of your assertions.

GG.

Again, stop lying.
Again you have misunderstood or you are just really bad at reading comprehension. I didn't say the ability "bubble" itself was on par with "high armor class" mitigation, but that sorcs with the ability makes their mitigation as whole, throughout the entire fight, on-par with a "high armored class."

You accuse me of lying and insist I haven't proved anything, yet you haven't proved I am lying.

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mrkab
01.06.2012 , 03:58 PM | #33
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You guys have plenty of CCs usable from range, most of your damage abilities do more than one thing like dps+stun, dps+snare, dps+heal you, and your instant cast bubbles allow you to mitigate damage on par with high armor wearing classes. Not to mention you guys never run out of force
List the abilities. You're claiming mitigation is on par with "high armor wearing classes" and it's not. The aforementioned "high armor wearing classes" have medium and heavy armor, stealth, damage mitigation abilities, stuns, etc. You're throwing out complete nonsense, as so many others have, I'm sick of it.

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DimeStax
01.06.2012 , 04:01 PM | #34
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List the abilities. You're claiming mitigation is on par with "high armor wearing classes" and it's not. The aforementioned "high armor wearing classes" have medium and heavy armor, stealth, damage mitigation abilities, stuns, etc. You're throwing out complete nonsense, as so many others have, I'm sick of it.
I don't have the time, will, or care to search for, copy/paste, crunch numbers, and calculate a report out for you in which the results would still be unquestionably subjective.

Do you deny you have self heals? You shouldn't.

Do you deny you have bubbles? You mentioned at least one for 3k every 20 seconds, so I don't think you will deny that either although from experience it seems there might be two, but I digress I'm too lazy to look it up.

Do you deny that you have DPS+ stuns, DPS+snares, DPS+ self heals which are all abilities that are the core abilities in your dps rotation that make up the majority of your pvp DPS?

Do you deny that most of your DPS is either instant cast or instant channeled abilities?

Do you deny you have a range of at least 30m on most of your DPS abilities?

Do you deny you have at least 3 CC's?

Do you deny that you can stack DOTS?


If you can't deny any of these things, then I have proven my point.

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SliggXx
01.06.2012 , 04:07 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by KaiHeilos View Post
Sorc healing is OP. Sorc damage is meh.
I don't buy this OVERALL, but Scoundrel healing needs to be buffed to be competitive with Sage healing.

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Vortx
01.06.2012 , 04:14 PM | #36
Lol anyone who is actually good at pvp and does it often knows Sorcs aren't OP.


The real problem is Troopers/BH, and Scoundrel/Ops. Inquisitors/Consulars are after those, pretty much right in the middle.

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Dragonmourne
01.06.2012 , 04:20 PM | #37
First off, the OP is defending his class to save face against the horde of "nerf" screamers. This is understandable, however misplaced. The fact still remains that 1v1, my defense specced Guardian can solo kill ANY other class in the game wihtout much issue, but by far the most difficult enemy to dispatch is a Sorc.

Why is that? It's partially because a Defense Guardian is not known for their damage output, and in PVP they are mostly used for harassing key enemy classes such as ranged DPS, healers, Huttball carriers, etc. Sorcs on the other hand do in fact put out more DPS than the OP is admitting, and they have bubbles, as well as quick healing. My Guardian doesn't have anything to heal himself aside from consumables or a Resolute talent that heals for 10% maximum health EVERY 2 MINUTES which should not be wasted just for the sake of health.

With a plethora of CCs and snares, channeled DOT slow, and 40 yard ranged lightning all in tandem with sporadic healing and damage mitigating bubbles, I have to say that this class is in desperate need of a nerf in order to achieve the true "glass cannon" cliche that every MMO caster class has become. Otherwise just get rid of all other classes and have everyone become a Sorc since it seems apparent that they may as well tank/heal/DPS with all of these wonderful skills currently at their disposal.

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Modecrypt
01.06.2012 , 04:22 PM | #38
The time will come when more players know how to shutdown sorcs/sages and start doing so.

Until then... I'm enjoying killing all of the bads in a landslide.

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DimeStax
01.06.2012 , 04:26 PM | #39
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First off, the OP is defending his class to save face against the horde of "nerf" screamers. This is understandable, however misplaced. The fact still remains that 1v1, my defense specced Guardian can solo kill ANY other class in the game wihtout much issue, but by far the most difficult enemy to dispatch is a Sorc.

Why is that? It's partially because a Defense Guardian is not known for their damage output, and in PVP they are mostly used for harassing key enemy classes such as ranged DPS, healers, Huttball carriers, etc. Sorcs on the other hand do in fact put out more DPS than the OP is admitting, and they have bubbles, as well as quick healing. My Guardian doesn't have anything to heal himself aside from consumables or a Resolute talent that heals for 10% maximum health EVERY 2 MINUTES which should not be wasted just for the sake of health.

With a plethora of CCs and snares, channeled DOT slow, and 40 yard ranged lightning all in tandem with sporadic healing and damage mitigating bubbles, I have to say that this class is in desperate need of a nerf in order to achieve the true "glass cannon" cliche that every MMO caster class has become. Otherwise just get rid of all other classes and have everyone become a Sorc since it seems apparent that they may as well tank/heal/DPS with all of these wonderful skills currently at their disposal.
^ This.

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Vortx
01.06.2012 , 04:30 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Dragonmourne View Post

With a plethora of CCs and snares, channeled DOT slow, and 40 yard ranged lightning all in tandem with sporadic healing and damage mitigating bubbles, I have to say that this class is in desperate need of a nerf in order to achieve the true "glass cannon" cliche that every MMO caster class has become. Otherwise just get rid of all other classes and have everyone become a Sorc since it seems apparent that they may as well tank/heal/DPS with all of these wonderful skills currently at their disposal.

"glass cannon" my ***. Sorcs have no burst. Even if all their procs go off, their burst is crap.

"plethora of cc and snares" oh you mean 1 cc and 1 snare, lol.


"i can kill every class in 1v1 except sorc" so you want sorc to be nerfed, so you can kill every class 1v1? wouldn't that mean guardian is overpowered?