The Expertise stat has to go...

Exactly but this is why you make the gear equal but don't seperate them further by adding in a pvp stat. I think someone said earlier that with out the pvp stat warzones bolstering would be wokring as intended and thus still fun for most people, thus no need to have a 50only bracket and btw I have a feeling without cross server warzones both the 50 bracket and the 1-49 braket are going to suffer from a lot longer queue times.

Of course there is going to be people that say you can get all your pvp gear by afk'ing in a corner somewhere so that is not fair but we all know that you can be carried in a raid just as easily.

Except not many Hardcore PvPers don't raid. Most people who hardcore PvP ALSO hardcore raid. PvP is just something they do in the meantime. And the only reason they Raid is to get the best gear available. I promise you, the main reason that they do both is not for completion or anything else, other then the best gear. Sometimes the best gear is the next "PvP set"...sometimes it's the next "Raid Tier" set. Sometimes they are equal.

I honestly don't know of that many people that "ONLY PvP", most of the people I see hardcore PvPing, use that gear to hardcore Raid.

Your logic is fallicious because it actually hurts raiders. PvP gear (with stats+Expertise) can be used to raid and/or make raiding easier. However, PvE gear (with just base stats but no expertise) is a detriment to raiders who try to PvP because of the lack of expertise.

Where's your God now?

I want to emphasize the bolded part -- the only games I have played that had AFK problems in PvP, were ones that had PvP gear with a PvP-required stat. The stat difference is the reason people feel they need to AFK in WZs -- they don't have a fighting chance against the geared vets. Remove the stat, and you will remove the incentive to AFK in WZs.

I want to emphasize the bolded part-- because that is exactly what would happen if the stat was removed and the gear became the same. I dare you to afk your way through a top tier raid and get loot.

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“An argument fatal to the communist theory, is suggested by the fact, that a desire for property is one of the elements of our nature” - Herbert Spencer

I get it you want to grind for your pvp gear, whats yours is yours. That is all fine and good. You don't have to join the revolution... we fight for you. mwhahaha. I'm kidden man relax and re read my posts.

So you are saying that when guilds have raids on farm status they do not carry lower geared guildies to get them geared up as well or that while on farm status player x and z decide to give only 20% effort because this is the 100th time they have been here?

I would imagine that the 8 mans everyone will need to be 100% but the larger the raid the easier it is for a few to slack off.

I am a seasoned PvP player.

I have been playing PvP in MMos for as long as I remember, back to the glory days of DAoC.

I have reached 2700 rating in 3v3 on my Warrior in World of Warcraft.

Of course there needs to be an Expertise system that seperates the gear from PvP to PvE. I do not want the "Shadowmourne effect" in SWTOR - where players that have no idea what they are doing in a PvP setting can oblitorate you by simply wielding an item from PvE that makes your PvP weapon look and hit like a twig in comparison.

I'm sorry, but the path to obtaining the very best PvP gear is actually HALF THE FUN. I don't want to spend 1 month on getting all the best possible gear I can get for my character - I want it to take a long time - so that when I finally am decked out in my gear, I actually EARNED IT through dedication. If people actually did this as well, I promise you that most of the people whining on these forums would go down quite a lot - as the more you actually play your character - the BETTER YOU GET AT IT.

It's increadible how little effort some people want to put into a game to get the best possible equipment there is. People are even raging over how hard Purple crystals are to find. THAT KINDA MAKES THE PURPLE CRYSTALS SEEM KINDA COOL NOW DOESN'T IT?!

GOD, you people need to get off the World of Warcraft horse and come back down to earth.

So you are saying that that slaking off in a pve raid you still clear is the same as filling WZ with afkers who cause you to lose 100% of the time?

It's only a 10% difference for damage done, taken, and healing recieved. 10% is not a big difference, look at rift where once you got P6 you can steamroll groups of 3-4 fresh 50's. Expertise is not going anywhere. Deal with it ™.

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